The Blue Jays Ride Ends

October 25th, 2015 | by torontosportsmedia
The Blue Jays Ride Ends
sports and toronto

Updated Sunday, 10:43pm


Well, the sun did indeed rise Saturday and Sunday morning despite the events of Friday night.

The team that has captivated both a city and a country flatlined an joined all but two major league clubs on the sidelines watching the World Series, again.

Make no mistake, the Blue Jays of 2015 were little less than awesome.

They managed to do the impossible,draw all interest away from an undeserving hockey franchise that usual under the microscope 24/7.

As this is not the place for traditional sports stories, I will let the pro’s conduct the post mortem.

All I will say about Friday night is this, when you go 0-12 (or 13) with runners in scoring position it is going to be hard to win.

If we polled Blue Jays fans and players alike on the scenario that ended the game at seasons end, there is not a person alive who wouldn’t have drooled at the prospects: Josh Donaldson, likely the league MVP at bat, 2 outs with runners at 2nd and 3rd and we are down by a run.

That’s the stuff dreams are made of.

In the hockey world, on the pond or on the driveway we envision being the star in a game 7 on a breakaway, a penalty shot with the game on the line.

In baseball it’s the same thing. You want the bat in your hands to win it all.

This is NOT an indictment on Donaldson, but truth be told it’s the scenario you would want.

Too bad.

Kind of odd having all of Saturday and all of Sunday to reflect before the talking heads take to the mics on Monday morning.

By then, there will be little left to say about Friday night.

The focus will be on “tomorrow”.

So what do I think about as the season ends????

I think about the wall to wall coverage the Jays benefited from over the last 4-4.5 months.

Although they aren’t supposed to, and although many won’t admit it, many who cover the games we love were rooting for the Blue Jays.

That’s something we haven’t seen in a long time.

Barry Davis’s arms in the air reaction to a homerun was, in a word refreshing.

Following the games on twitter reading positive sentiments, and yes, cheers from media types for the local team was fantastic.

When was the last time you saw raw emotion like this by a member of the MSM:

Kudos to the Doug Smith’s of the world.

Perhaps it’s not just me, but it’s the first time since I’ve been writing here that the media and the fans were one.

We haven’t seen that with the Maple Leafs.

It was starting to build with the Raptors but they fizzled out.

It was great.

So to those in the media who stretched the unwritten rule a little bit, thanks!

It’s nice to know some of you actually are fans of the games you cover; it’s great to see that the little boy or girl in you can still exist.

To those of you who actually sat in the stands, and I know of several of you who did… an extra hat tip to you.

So what about tomorrow?

Well, I’d put a lot of money on sports radio ratings taking a dip here in Toronto. The morning shows will be especially hard hit.

Mccown has had a ton to talk about during this ride.

Once Blue Jay mania runs out? The return of Bored Bob.

What does the fan do with Blair and Brunt? They’ve become must listen to radio. Once baseball is done, are they (for the offseason)?

These are the things that I am curious about.

As for the Jays themselves, buckle up. Alex Anthopoulos’s deal is set to expire at month’s end. Long time executive Paul Beeston is about to exit. This is going to be fascinating to watch.

I have no clue what’s going to happen. However I can tell you here’s the word on the street:

The Blue Jays, Rogers and new President, Mark Shapiro want Anthopoulos back.

The question is does Anthopoulos want to come back.

Everyone who I have talked to in the know says the same thing, it’s no better than 50-50 that Anthopoulos returns.

This is not about money. Rogers would likely pay Anthopoulos as well as anyone else.

Word is that neither Anthopoulos nor Beeston are all that familiar with Shapiro. That’s not good or bad, it is what it is.

Anthopoulos has been left to his own devices with a massive business/ownership supporter in Beeston. That’s not likely the role Shapiro (the search for a new President started before the Jays made their deals or went on their run) signed up for.

So, you may see articles like the one Steve Simmons wrote Saturday claiming that Anthopoulos is all but certain to return, I am not so sure. Too many people are saying the same thing for them all to be wrong. I am not saying it’s a done deal that he’s leaving, all I am saying is there’s a good a chance he is not returning as there is he is returning.

The Simmons story really doesn’t say much, except for this:

But what’s strange is this: Sources also indicate that Anthopoulos has neither signed a contract, negotiated a contract with incoming team president Mark Shapiro, or agreed to anything resembling terms or dollar figures going into next season, which only serves to confuse what appears to be apparent.

This could be settled in 24-48 hours. Negotiating the deal is not hard.

The question is what does Alex want to do; make no mistake he is in the drivers seat.

Happy Sunday


When I wrote this article Saturday am I was referring to this article by Steve Simmons:

Alex Anthopoulos is expected to return as general manager of the Blue Jays next season, sources inside and outside the organization confirmed on Friday night.

But one source said Friday that he didn’t “foresee any circumstance that would result in Alex leaving. I believe this will get done.

So while not saying it’s a done deal,certainly looking positive wouldn’t you say?

Compare that with this article on Sunday:

“If Shapiro wants to be too hands-on in baseball matters, don’t be surprised if Anthopoulos declines whatever offer comes his way. This isn’t about title or term. It’s about real responsibilities. And really, considering what Anthopoulos has accomplished and what happened this season, all this should have been settled long ago.”

Which is exactly what I’ve been hearing. Less than 50-50 AA comes back.

Now did you read Jeff Blair??

“The guess here is money and term is less of an issue in getting a deal done with Anthopoulos than is power-sharing and job security of other holdovers – including manager John Gibbons, perhaps. What we don’t know is the extent of philosophical differences, if any, between Shapiro and Anthopoulos and whether a contract has been extended but not signed or where no deal has not been offered. We also don’t know …”

Buckle up Blue Jays fans…this is going to be fascinating…


  1. rob j says:

    The Verducci article is a must-read for all the jays junkies out there. Tells you everything you need to know about why they lost the ALCS even though every ‘expert’ in the homer-media picked Tor. Had nothing to do with home-field or a Goins miscue but good old-fashioned scouting and preparation, something the jays seemed to lack.

  2. Mike V says:

    “Jays junkies”…”homer media”… Beginning to see where rob’s biases lie.

  3. Peter Ballantine says:

    Yes, only the Royals do pre-scouting work on teams. The Jays just sat on their butts and did absolutely nothing! Wow, what an idiot this rob j clown is LOL! Every team does pre-scouting to prepare for the next series.

    Almost EVERYONE picked the Jays to win in American media and Vegas and it’s very simple. Toronto IS the better team. It’s a best of 7 series and anyone can win though. Happens every year.

    LOL so many clueless bangwagoners and haters. Hilarious! Can’t wait to do it again next year! This team is just so stacked.

  4. WouldStaley93 says:

    This was a incredible ride the 2015 Toronto Blue Jays. It sucks that it had to end the way it did. Kansas City had a better bullpen overall then Toronto.

    What awesome core we have for the 2016 season with Josh Donaldson Troy Tulowitzki for a FULL season Ben Revere Ryan Goins Marco Estrada Marcus Stroman Jose Bautista EE etc.

    Also anyone else enjoy Matt Stairs work as a guest analyst with Dean Blundell & Co on Sportsnet 590 The Fan? He would be a great addition to Blue Jay telecast next season.

    I am hopeful AA returns Rogers needs to make sure he gets full power and term and $$$$$$. If this gets botched then the blame will fall on both Edward Rogers and Mark Shapiro.

    Can’t wait for next season

  5. Rob In Aurora says:

    Please, can we stop with the “sources say” and the “people I know are saying ___” if you have legit sources, quote them, of we can all assume they are speculating… I would think it’s safe to assume AA doesn’t want to go anywhere else. Hes a Canadian and hes settled here and started a good thing…There are only 30 of these jobs and unless another team is tampering, he hasn’t got a job lined up…these rumours are such horsesh+t. Shapiro hasn’t assumed his new job, its not Beeston’s place to extend AA and AA seems like the kind of guy who woukd want the season to end before worryring about his extension. He’s coming back. And if he chooses to leave, there are other eager beavers out there waiting for their chance, just like he was.

  6. Rob J says:

    @Peter B

    I’m waiting with bated breath for Verducci etc. to detail the effects of the Jays’ scouting. (PS Please don’t call me an idiot, though I’m happy with ‘clown’)

  7. Dave in Bolton says:

    My money is AA ending up in Boston now that Dombrowski in as new President. They know each other from their Montreal days and you can bet on it the Red Sox will throw big $$ at AA

  8. Mike V says:

    So to you, Tom Verducci not writing an anecdote about a losing team’s scouting must = said team never did any scouting.

    Sure thing there.

  9. Rob J says:

    You would think if he had something he’d report on it, in the name of balance.
    My main point is that whether the jays win or lose it’s 95% about what they did with only a passing reference to the other team’s role. Best example was the Bautista homer in game 5 vs. Texas…which only happened when the Rangers gave Tor 6 outs to work with in the inning. That fairly important aspect was buried.
    But when Tor made a mental error in game 2 vs KC, that was the focus, with nothing to be said about how the Royals hitters did afterward. (Spoiler: they did very well)

  10. Mike V says:

    Why would he write something that wouldn’t tie in? The only reason he wrote about KC’s scouting is because that inning played out the way it did. If goins makes that catch, price gets out of the jam, or he gets lifted earlier and the bullpen goes the rest of the way, Verducci doesn’t include that in his article. Same with Toronto’s scouting.

    So your point is that the Toronto Blue Jays media spends more than 50% of the time talking about the Toronto Blue Jays? Do you watch YES and complain that they don’t spend equal time covering the Twins too?

    No one completely ignored the impact Texas’ errors had but Bautista’s shot was the highlight reel that scored the series winning run and spawned a bench clearing so it’s no surprise that everyone (not just Toronto media) focused on that more.

  11. Mitch says:

    I like that we assume AA WANTS to come back. Many high profile individuals have left Rogers recently, so i’m thinking they aren’t great to work for. Maybe he wants to go to a a single owner who wants to win and not just work for a corporation who’s sole mission is to sell cable/mobile products.

  12. John says:

    There’s no cheering in the pressbox!

  13. Dave in Bolton says:

    Yup @Mitch that’s why I think AA will land in Boston

  14. Sam in Scarb says:

    @ Rob In Aurora
    Please, can we stop with the “sources say” and the “people I know are saying ___”

    100% correct !!!!
    Me,myself when i read something like that in the first paragraph of an article I stop reading and move on to other reading.Nine times out of ten it’s just bull-shirt and filler.

  15. Sam in Scarb says:

    Just like in the above article above by TSM.I stopped reading right after the line
    “I have no clue what’s going to happen. However I can tell you here’s the word on the street:”

    Who on the street,a drug dealer,homeless man,a pregnant teenager,a gas bar clerk ??
    OR a true baseball insider whom is actually in the know ?
    If baseball insider then name names.

  16. Anthony says:

    ‘It’s nice to know some of you actually are fans of the games you cover; it’s great to see that the little boy or girl in you can still exist.’

    Some of your commentators take joy in tearing into those who cover the game apart for even hinting that a Toronto team may win (bias I tell you, BIASSSSSSS!!!!!), so im not sure that they share your enthusiasm 😉

  17. Blue Jay Fan says:


    I’ve noticed that every time you comment, it’s simply about a problem you have with other comments on the board and rarely(particularly people that are not Rogers fans). Are you simply here to just critic the comments on the site?

  18. rob j says:

    Oh brother, the McCown critics are going to have a field day with AA stating that the report of Gibbons being on the hot-seat this season was fabricated. Wonder who Bob’s source was.

  19. Drumanchor says:

    Interesting read in how the big thinkers at Rogers are going to go forward from here. I, for one, had a hard time with the 24/7 cheerleading and less than subtle promotion of all things Rogers/Blue Jays. It came to the point that it was just not enjoyable to listen to The Fan or flip by one of their channels showing yet another old Jay game.


    Also, what’s the over-under on how many times we’ll see that bat flip replayed on Sportsnet before the first pitch next season? I suspect Rogers has considered broadcasting it on a loop.

  20. Anthony says:

    @BlueJays FAn

    I read every word here and comment from time to time, its just that so much on here is anti Rogers that it gets overwhelming.

    In this sense i was poking fun at those who take joy in ripping Rogers. TSM applauds those guys who where showing emotion and joy while you guys rip into them, whose right?

    I couldn’t care less at this point, ill still read but you guys have won, I wave the white flag. Were not allowed to enjoy things Rogers, or challenge those who think that everything is bad. I get it, I’ll stop moving forward. Let TSM know he should as well. You win.

  21. Anthony says:


    And to add (sorry, this will be my last post, I promise), whenever anyone posts suggesting that the Rogers hate is over the top (even MIB asked to cut it out in one of his posts) you’re right there to tell us that we can’t question things, we can’t question those who hate Rogers and that all Rogers hate is justified.

    Its not worth it, you win, have at it.

  22. Robert says:

    Given how private AA is about his own contractual situation and how upset he was when it was disclosed last year, I doubt anyone outside his immediate family has any idea about what he wants to do. And given the stellar record of predictions from the local media experts (like Blair predicting Drew Hutchison was going to have a “monster” season) I doubt anything any of them says is based on reality.

    As far as AA ending up in Boston goes, if he isn’t going to be happy working for Shapiro because of perceived interference, why in the world would he want to go to work for Dombrowski? And why would Shapiro come here to usurp the authority of a potential Executive of the Year? If he wanted to be a general manager, I’m sure there would be other options for him.

  23. Curt says:

    “Perhaps it’s not just me, but it’s the first time since I’ve been writing here that the media and the fans were one…”

    That’s probably true. But, does anyone else find that inherently wrong? Passion trumps reason. Is that something you want from the media?

  24. Mike V says:

    Does Mike Hazen have an “interim” tag attached to his GM title that I’m not aware of? I thought Dombrowski gave him the Red Sox job just last month.

  25. Blue Jay Fan says:


    If you want to continue to sing the praises of Rogers, that is your prerogative, just as it is the prerogative of other commenters if they want to critic Rogers, and as mentioned several times on this site MIB has had his fair share of jabs at Rogers and it’s fan590 personalities. If your in love with Rogers, feel free to express that, but just don’t expect everyone to feel the same way.

  26. Blue Jay Fan says:


    Your constant pro Rogers thing is a little overwhelming as well.

  27. Dogpounder says:

    It’s 9:23 PM on Monday.

    1050, 1150, and 590 are all broadcasting the same mediocre blue and white team. Nobody is carrying MNF.

    It’s going to be a long, dark, painful winter for those of us who aren’t hockey pucks.

  28. Bora says:

    MNF is on TSN3 and 5

  29. Bora says:

    @Dogpounder nevermind lol I see you’re referring to radio

  30. mitch says:

    Roger sucks. Why is it difficult for people to understand? Expect AA to be yet another high profile Rogers employee to leave the company.

  31. Sam in Scarb says:

    If the owner of this ball team had to make a decision right now ( humm and they do by Saturday)
    Do they walk away from Mark Shapiro or Alex Anthopoulos ??
    If they lose Shapiro they lose a lot of $$
    If they gas pipe Alex Anthopoulos they lose a generation of business..
    What goes around comes around..Karma
    Hate to see such a public first company like this owner have to make a decision like this.

  32. Mike V says:

    Likely because it’s not that simplistic Mitch.

  33. mitch says:

    I am happy for AA ultimately. He’ll be able to go to another team and really prove what he can do on a consistent basis for years to come. I wish it could be with this team, but we have Shapiro now so I guess its #shapirowetrust
    He seems like he knows what he’s talking about. We’ll see what he does in November and beyond.

  34. Pudge72 says:

    The AA speculation is tiresome. All these ‘sources say’ lines are simply props to construct a speculative narrative that is allowed to foster because AA chooses to create an echo chamber by having a no comment policy.

    I don’t often take public statements at face value, but in AA’s presser yesterday (as he has throughout the last two-three months) he went to great lengths to repeat the same message for the millionth time. He would not discuss his contract as he has never wanted his contract status to be public knowledge, at any point of his tenure. He seemed to be genuinely upset at the fact that the expiry date of his current contract was leaked at some point during this past season.

    That, combined with not wanting to have off the field items distract from the on-field activity, seems like a pretty reasonable approach. The speculation only exists because AA has been remarkably consistent in his message, and its implementation.

    We’ll see what happens on November 1st, when Shapiro ACTUALLY becomes the team president and AA’s contract is ACTUALLY finished.

  35. Sam in Scarb says:

    AA has just won “Kick of the Year”
    Right to the owner’s five hole.

  36. Hans says:

    I’m going to be that person here who says “it’s just a negotiation tactic. He can still make a deal, he can still make a deal….” when it comes to AA and the news coming out he’s leaving the Blue Jays today.

  37. Bobby G says:

    The deficiencies of the Fan’s morning show were never so apparent as they were this morning. The host couldn’t process the information about Alex Anthopoulos leaving to make an intelligent comment and the sidekick couldn’t articulate his thoughts. That’s it in a nutshell. Even where the Jays are concerned they aren’t the go-to morning show. They made me actually yearn for Blair to screech and grunt about the subject.

  38. Pete says:

    Yeah, I don’t think the comments pertaining to Rogers are going to be too positive around here the next little while…

  39. Tighthead says:

    This was obvious and inevitable once Shapiro was brought on. At a certain level, people don’t cede power and don’t accept demotions.

    The big question now is whether this means a tighter payroll for the Jays.

    Interesting that AA wasn’t going to speak to press but now is – he must not like some of the Rogers spin.

  40. Joe Fresh says:

    Given that AA is from Montreal, what if he is tendered an offer from Bell Media as some kind of analyst.
    Would that be a story or what. Boy would Rogers kick themselves. I know it wouldn’t happen but that would be funny.

  41. William D says:

    Look out for the Rogers spin doctors.

  42. Curt says:

    Hey, but didn’t Bob say just last week that AA would be staying? His sources told him so…

  43. Well…you guys were right and I was wrong.

    Not only did they not shit the bed as has been their habit, they even won a series too, shockingly so…

    Next year AA will be gone, Price will be gone, and everyone will be a year older. Good luck in 2016…

  44. Omar says:

    I believe this was the plan from the get go. When Shapiro was hired months ago, Alex and Beeston had a meeting of the minds. It was at that time that Alex, in concert with Beeston, decided that they would go for broke and try to win it all. They made whatever deals they deemed necessary to win. Without the Shapiro hiring, I doubt Alex would have been as aggressive come trade deadline. I believe Alex has known he wouldn’t be back for a while. Granted, this is conjecture, but I got a feeling it is close to the mark. 2015+22years=2037. Go Jays.

  45. Antonio says:

    I just woke up – what did I miss?

  46. George says:

    Brady just absolutely tore a strip off of TSN, He dogged their TV and Radio ratings.
    judging by Brady’s comments it would appear that TSN is blasting Rogers for Alex’s departure

  47. Daniel says:


    I have no problem with Shaprio. By all accounts, Shapiro is a good GM. The Indians are a good team in great shape in terms of young talent.

    But that was maybe the best 3 month run we’ve seen for a sports team here since the early 90s. HOW can you let him walk after that? As owners, Rogers are just so clueless and tone deaf.

  48. Daniel says:

    @Chef Mike – do you not find it boring to be endlessly negative about something? If was a truly fun year. If you didn’t enjoy it, that’s a shame.

  49. Claire A Fye says:

    @George I heard that and I was surprised by it. I watched Leafs Lunch and they were somewhat understanding of what happened. I also only saw one TSN guy raking Rogers on Twitter and that was Wheeler, although Cauz did question Rogers decisions. Especially Edward Rogers. But considering the heavy handed efforts last year to replace Beeston, I think that’s fair. Rogers did screw this up. Brady has to know a lot of the anger is real, and it’s not coming from across the street. He also seems to have forgotten the efforts to get either Duquette or Williams. Personally I have no doubt Rogers intention was to get rid of AA when Shapiro was hired and the only reason that changed was because of the Jays incredible season ending run. And if you go back to then, it’s not surprising.

  50. Claire A Fye says:

    One other thing. MLSE names Tim Leiweke’s replacement and it’s like it didn’t happen

  51. alex says:

    No TFC playiff talk today, im guessing. 😉

  52. @Daniel…

    I truly couldn’t care less, there is 23 years of futility and mediocrity on my side of the ledger, but I know you and lots of others enjoyed the ride, and for all of you Who saw relevant baseball past August 1, am genuinely happy, 1993 is a long time ago…

    Curious how Rogers shit on the ice cream barely a week into the off season with their best foot soldier, the guy that lived with scraps for four of his 6 years, your words, “tone deaf”…what do you expect in 2016? I expect Rogers will return to type and have yet another 5 year plan with a new regime of management, but sadly for the fan base with very familiar results…

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