Cant We All Just Get Along?

So this site covers media news so I guess I shall wade into the Toronto Sun vs. Pension Plan Puppets issue. Here’s my two cents. It may not be right or wrong, it’s just my opinion and how I try to write on this site. If I read or hear something somewhere else, whether it’s first hand or not, I give credit. So when Zelkovich or Dowbiggin puts a story up that I haven’t heard or seen before, I give credit to the source. It’s just the right thing to do. So, In my opinion if a Toronto Sun reporter learned of an interview that Tomas Kaberle’s father gave only after reading Pension Plan Puppets, he should have at least said so. What’s the harm in doing so? I mean would anyone think any less of an article in a major publication if it cave a tiny ounce of credit to an “independent journalist”???? Hell no.

I think this is a pretty easy rule of thumb to follow. If Dreger or Mckenzie reports a rumour and then a Toronto Star reporter asks Brian Burke about it and gets new information on the rumour then I think the Star reporter should at least mention the original source of the rumor. I mean isn’t that just obvious? May be I’m alone in this, but I am a lot more interested in the party that got the story right as opposed to first. As an “independent journalist” I have tried to go further and actually provide a link to every story that I comment on. Now, I know that isn’t feasible in the newspaper business but……. Most of us “independent journalists” do the same thing, its a common practice in the blogosphere.

Isn’t this really just a story about doing the right thing? I mean I don’t in anyway see myself in competition with those who write professionally. We certainly don’t get the same treatment by the teams (at least not in this town). We don’t necessarily have the same constraints. Yet for some reason it certainly appears that there are some Main Street Media (MSM) members out there who feel threatened by the fact that in the modern era there are those who suddenly have a voice. Why is this any different then when City Tv shows a leaf highlight that they flash a quick video courtesy of CBC on the tv? Why does it have to be a matter of blogger, I mean “independent journalist” vs. MSMer? There are, even in this day some fantastic journalists who do great work. In the same vein, there are some terrific “independent journalists” too. For every great sports journalist who’s out there exists a Gary Loewen. For every great website like PPP there is one that’s unreadable. As a fan, or more specifically a consumer of sports news I don’t really care the format, the actual source, nearly as much as I do the content itself.

Back in the day, I used to like watching Entertainment Tonight. Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t wait around for it to come on but…. Today, there are better “independent journalists” doing what ET used to do. Why should sports be any different??

The good news, I think anyways, it that it matters little what MSMers believe is right or wrong. In the end it is the consumer that will decide. If the people who otherwise read a publication think that a writer or even an entire paper isn’t doing the right thing don’t ya think people will stop reading/buying/clicking????

Personally, I think this issue shouldn’t exist. There is such a huge market for sports and hockey in this town that neither the MSMers nor us “independent journalists” need worry much about the other. A wise man once said to do on to others as you want done to you…. Seems simple enough to me…

Now, 5 different MSMers were kind enough to send me a note this am, you be the judge of whether or not credit should have been given. First, here’s what I wrote 5 days earlier in the week:

“Congrats may be in order to Bob Mckenzie who I’m told may have just inked a very nice and well deserve 10 year extension. Yes, you read that right, I am told that THE hockey insider has a nice shiny new deal that will take him in to the territory where he can write his next book- the life of a hockey grandfather 🙂 Just kidding. Seriously though folks, is there anyone in the business more deserving of an extension of that length (assuming it’s true)??!!

Question to ponder, with Bob tied up for a long time will Sportsnet try to re-engage with one Darren Dreger in attempt to gain some legs vs. TSN???? Hmmmm. The other question of course, is will Bettman ask Richard Bloch to review McKenzie’s contract????????”

The following, appeared in today’s Toronto Sun:

“And the always reliable Bob McKenzie has just signed a 10-year contract to continue doing what he does at TSN. And really, shouldn’t a deal of that length be subject to the approval of Gary Bettman? Isn’t it cap circumvention? … ”


you decide.

Happy wet Sunday.


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mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
August 23, 2010 9:17 am

the Sun appears to have their own version of the 5 second rule: it’s not plagiarism if you copy and paste it 5 days after you read it on a blog.

the PPP debacle is pretty shameful on the Sun and i’m glad PPP stuck to their guns.

August 23, 2010 2:23 pm

I read the article in question every Sunday religiously (pardon the pun). And I read this site on a daily basis, so needless to say I was shocked yesterday. I can’t believe such a seasoned columnist could make such a grave mistake.

August 23, 2010 2:57 pm

First off major credit to Brady last week for bringing it up, being in the mainstream fraternity and willing to take a hard side for the bloggers says a lot about the type of class and independent thinker Brady is, I’m not sure if I can name another mainstream person who would do that.

At first I thought it might have been a gray area of him seeing it on PPP but then going to the site and doing his own translation. But to go to PPP and just lift the entire translation is what MiB said above me, shameful and obvious.

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy or anything, I think it falls on laziness. Somehow they think if you don’t have a huge company/corporation behind your work that it can be just lifted and passed around. I am reading that there are other instances that Fuller might have taken something from the site and quote it as his own. It does seem like a total lack of respect for others work and should give a percentage of his paycheck to PPP lol. This story is getting around and a lot of mocking of Fuller in the blogosphere but most mainstream is keeping quiet or trying to excuse it.

Even though not a Simmons fan, his is a more of a gray area I talked about. He can claim it’s a coincidence but there no denying you said it first. But not the first time I read something form you and read it another place soon after and wonder hum.

August 23, 2010 4:36 pm

Its to bad that those guys at PPP do not have to much of an avenue to get any kind of justice either.


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August 24, 2010 12:34 pm

The Sun media group (QMI Agency…whatever this group of outlets is now calling themselves) is what it is…a low-brow tabloid that seems to follow the journalistic standards of the rags in England. With the exception of a couple of writers (on either side) I will read a Star paper/website over a Sun any day of the week.

It seems to me that the Sun only sells papers because their articles are shorter, and therefore easier & quicker to read while commuting…just a thought.