Tuesday morning sports radio lineup

Here’s who’s on TSN radio:

7 :00 Chris Schultz

7:15 Jonas Siegel

7:30 Pierre McGuire

7:45 Dan Shulman

8:00 Darren Dreger & Steve Simmons

8:30 Jesse Palmer

Curious all you fan am radio haters, what is it you don’t like about Brady and Lamg?

TSM

COMMENTS

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    Darrell 8 years ago

    Greg Brady doesn’t shut-up, simply put. He talks non-stop about Detroit on a Toronto radio sports station. You like Detroit so much, go live there.

    Jim Lang is just okay for myself. He is much quieter compared to that loudmouth Brady, but when he does talk he sounds like Ben Stein on the radio. BORING!!!

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    I think Brady and Lang is a very good sports radio morning show. I haven’t listened to The Fan morning show since Derringer and Marsden when I was a teenager, but I catch Brady/Lang quite often.

    Occasionally Brady will have an opinion that will really irritate me, but that’s sports radio for you.

    Honestly, I think some people just like to dump on anything The Fan does. Maybe that’s not a bad thing (I guess they’re listening). You don’t hear anyone too upset about Mike Richards show, for example.

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    I have to admit, I was a fan of Brady and Lang when they moved Krystal to the afternoons because it was just nice to have something in the morning that you didn’t have to turn off after a few minutes.

    However, over time, the lack of any direction combined with them constantly rambling and a lack of basic sports knowledge that becomes clear makes it pretty difficult to tune in anymore and Richards isn’t an option with his “Morning Zoo” BS.

    I’ve started to tune into WGR in the mornings.

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    I liked Brady before and I still like him. Strangely enough I have started to like Lang as a personality also. But I do think the problem is that they just don’t seem to have chemistry together. You shouldn’t agree on everything, that’s horrible radio too but, you should get the impression that there is at least a friendship that makes for comfortable listening.

    It’s strange because I listen to Brady with that BBC guy, their talks are great. When he has former Detroit co-host Jamie on, they sound like these great friends. Heck I remember back to the 640 days with Watters, and they couldn’t be any more different, demo wise, idea, culture, they are totally different on literally every aspect in sports and I would guess in life. But there seemed to be a appreciation and friendship with each other. I loved when either or would go on a rant and you can hear the other off mic chuckling at how they pushed the others buttons.

    Speaking of somebody getting angry and ranting, I like Brady rants, I think it’s funny when he gets hyper and his voice raises. But when Lang has similar reaction and that’s when I go errr that’s too much. I still think Brady is a morning show quality talent, I just don’t think Lang is there, or mixes well with Brady. But I will say this, I think Lang has gotten better, I wouldn’t dislike him being on another timespot.

    Brady/Lang is still my first choice, but it is now mixed more evenly with Moore on RB. WGR might be my third choice even though it does seem to me that the hosts always seem to agree with each on everything. Richards on TSNR is not an option, I tried listening to some the other week. It’s embarrassingly poor.

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    Sam in Scarb 8 years ago

    How bad has the Toronto Star website for sports?? It is now Tuesday morning and their poll question reads..
    Who will win Friday night’s World Series Game 7?
    Clearly they do not care !!!

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    mike (in boston) 8 years ago

    Daniel no one complains about Richards because no one is listening. I tuned in 3 times in the same week a while back and heard a country song about Pierre McGuire, a reggae song about a CFL player, and a Jim Rome impression.

    That was it for me.

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    Raptors Devotee 8 years ago

    Mike, totally agree on Richards show, and the ratings if I recall that TSM posted reflected just that. I tune in periodically for a few minutes and am amazed at how little structure there is, but at the same time the humour and actual sports knowledge displayed by the host is severely lacking.

    Brady/Lang are benefitting immensely from the current competition up the dial, and I do tune them in, but can only take them in low doses first thing in the morning. I do not like abrasiveness before I down my first cup of coffee, and hope that Richards will be replaced with a competent, more cerebral host.

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    Don Mandrie 8 years ago

    Whatever happened to intelligent, sophisticated, funny and SMOOTH in the AM?

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    Roger 8 years ago

    Memo to TSN: no one in the GTA gives a crap about the CFL. I realize people out west and Quebec follow this semi- pro league but people here don’t.

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    Memo to Fan 590:
    Stop having porn stars & hollywood rumour mongers on your station. The Fan just had a guest to specifically talk about the Kim Kardashian nonsense. What a unbelievable waste. Awful, awful radio.

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    Darrell 8 years ago

    @ D – not disagreeing with you but it did have somewhat of a sports angle I guess? Kris Humphreys is an NBA washed up bench player, you know? Does make for ‘exciting’ radio. LOL!

    Greg Brady went and proved my point this morning talking about the Detroit Red Wings & Ken Holland and how things are in Detroit – like he is a big shot now because he lived there and worked there with the sports radio station down there. NOBODY cares Greg – that you lived and worked in Detroit.

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    Yeah, Brady can be a bit much with the Detroit talk. A lot of Tigers stuff when they were in the playoffs.

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    I hear what you’re saying but the sports ‘angle’ with that story is waaaay too tenuous for my tastes. If I want to be blasted by celebrity gossip, I’d go…well, anywhere else.

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    Also – agree on the Detroit / Brady stuff. It’s just too much. The Tigers cheerleading was annoying as is Ken Holland being a guest every other day.

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    Darrell 8 years ago

    Don Kollins has screwed this station up. I mean now we are tuning into a “sports” radio station to hear all about Kim Kardashian’s divorce? I mean really!?!?! It was bad enough that those two idiots Brady & Lang were talking about it but then have Jeff Blair also doing it?

    I have listened to this station since the inception September of 1992 and it is such a shame to see what some of the decisions have done to my “Toronto’s sports station”… Oops I forgot to mention “Sportsnet” like a billion times in the station name….. Sports radio, Sportsnet, FAN 590 Toronto Sportsnet. LOL! Other than late night listening after a Leaf game or when I am battling insomnia or not wanting to go to bed – I can’t say I listen to the FAN often during the day anymore.

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    (Another) Andrew 8 years ago

    I’ve only heard Brady once since he went on to mornings. This was about a month ago and he was talking about his love for Saturday Night Live along with some Hollywood celebrity talk. Maybe he’s missed his calling as an Entertainment Tonight host or he’s auditioning for a future celeb gossip show.

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    That’s a great point on Brady and the Detroit talk, seems the first hour of the show today was dedicated to the Lions.

    No one cares.

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    Darrell 8 years ago

    Last time I checked you don’t spell “Toronto” – “Detroit” right? Brady’s gotta go! Lang would be okay if he had a better person as his lead guy.

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    Paul (from Hespeler) 8 years ago

    Brady’s biggest problem is his lack of knowledge of sports other than the NFL, which even there is suspect for a so-called professional sports person. Combine his “I know everything” tone, his endless mocking of others and his pre-pubescent voice (one might say shrill instead), and total inability to be funny make me turn the dial. BUT, if you want to use the FAN590 as an alarm clock to make you wake up angry at the world, then Brady and Lang is the show for you.

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    Julian 8 years ago

    Sigh. Lather, rinse, repeat. Same old stuff.

    1. Don Kollins is going nowhere. Get real, haters.

    2. To reiterate and this is only what I hear and read here as well, revenues are up, ratings are up. Bosses at Rogers (err, Robbers, yuk, yuk, yuk) are pretty happy.

    3. As I mentioned, no one seems to like any morning show combo in their city. If they do, it’s memories of an old show, like Stellick and Landry, that was universally, or pretty close to, despised on this particular website.

    4. TSM’s been great about not editing comments or limiting stuff. But this site is getting to be the equivalent of a high school “slam book”. “This guy sucks, this station sucks, fire them all, move them all out.”.

    5. The alternative most of you have is always funny. Get rid of Brady & Lang and give the morning show to Norm Rumack, Bob Cole, and Fred Patterson. The same logic would suggest that Jay Onrait and Dan O’Toole don’t exactly have time (whether they’d succeed or not) to be full-time Sportscenter anchors and do afternoon drive in a major market.

    6. I find it far more intriguing to hear what guests people like and don’t consistently and what segments work and don’t. I agree, I’m a big Jays fan and Brady rooting for the Tigers drove me crazy. But I doubt he did it thinking no one would notice, just like when McCown goes off or starts a controversy, it’s to keep things interesting. Some of you swear you HATE Brady or Blair or even Cybulski and you back up the fact that you’re always listening (eg. just after 7 this morning, Brady said this, or “I hate Blair, and couldn’t believe it when he interviewed a porn star, etc.”.

    Some of you have nailed it with Richards. Nobody talks about him because few listen and why do few listen? They have no emotion towards him other than boredom or apathy.

    Howard Stern couldn’t care less if 50 percent of his audience love him or hate him. The amount of people who’ve posted anonymously about Don Cherry on message boards is probably in the hundreds of thousands the last several years, and they all keep watching.

    Lots of people can’t stand Michael Landsberg. But they watch his show and he’s a millionaire as a result.

    Maybe I’m too much a fan of radio and what this site provides, and I guess this is to be expected when TSM asks “what do you not like about Show A or Show B”, but is there any way to raise the level of debate.

    There’s about 5 or 6 people on here assuming they’re the same people, of course, who simply slam everything 590 does. I get it, it ain’t perfect. I’ve not travelled much outside of Toronto recently, but would guess many people feel that way about their stations in their markets too. But honestly people, if you’ve got a personal grudge or think a guy’s awful, stop listening. There’s many a personality I don’t listen to in this town (Lajoie, Eric Smith, Richards, Jim Ralph this summer was dreadful) but because I don’t listen, I wouldn’t be qualified to bitch about what they aren’t doing.

    My guess is Don Kollins reads this board and loves the notion that his shows are being talked about. Bob McCown, as TSM documented, reads this board. Mike Hogan posted here once, Brady did a couple times. And those are the ones brave enough to interact. I guess my whole point is, bitching constantly about a show or personality and then listing on almost a daily basis everything that you don’t like about their show or a segment that day, kinda makes them the “winner” and you, “something else”. No offence. And hopefully none taken.

    7. When do Sid and Tim start so they can be similarily praised and bashed?!!!

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    Paul (from Hespeler) 8 years ago

    I can now sleep soundly tonight with the knowledge that on this blog only some dude named Julian’s opinion is of any value. Geez Julian when were you named King of all Toronto sports media? I seemed to have missed the coronation.

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    Darrell 8 years ago

    LOL @ Paul (from Hespeler). All hail King Julian! LOL! Took the words right out of my mouth Paul.

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    mike (in boston) 8 years ago

    Julian, i can appreciate your frustration but i’ll just say that i read the comments on this blog both for the constructive criticism and for the venting. Radio is this weirdly personal thing … people are stuck in traffic for hours and feel like the radio host is there with them. And if you’re a sports fan then you’re going to tune in because you care about the subject matter even if you don’t care much for the host. And if you feel the host is jerking you around then you’re going to get pissed, and come here and vent. I think that’s ok.
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    You’re right that some people need to refrain from predicting firings, because we really don’t know about that any more than we know about whether revenues are up or down. I think people are a bit harder on the FAN because they’ve been around longer and went unchallenged for so long. Some people sound like jilted lovers, because they want the FAN to know how happy they are now that they’re with TSN.
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    People in the media read this site because it’s a pretty good barometer for what serious listeners are thinking. Even if some people aren’t terribly articulate, they’re still motivated enough to frequent this site and comment. We’ve got a good thing going here, and the number of good comments outweigh the bad, at least in my opinion. Go read some youtube comments if you want something that will make you want to stab your eyeballs out with a fork.

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    Another Steve 8 years ago

    Mike (in Boston) wrote very maturely what I was about to write in a very sarcastic tone. Well said.

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    With respect to Mike and Steve, I’ve gotta agree with Julian on this one.

    Criticism and venting is fun to read, and most stuff here is well thought out and interesting. But after a while, reading “The Fan did X (could be anything). Disaster! Fire Kollins! Robbers! McCown/Brady/Blair/Cox/Shannon are unlistenable” the comments become kind of meaningless. I mean, people were calling the move of Sammut from overnights to evenings a disaster and calling for Kollins head. C’mon. There’s not really much thought in that, just seems like an excuse to crap on the station.

    Obviously people are free to write whatever they like, and I don’t have to read it, but I do find it drags down the conversation a bit when it’s repeating the same note everyday.

    “People in the media read this site because it’s a pretty good barometer for what serious listeners are thinking”

    Honestly, I think if the media does read the comments of this blog, I would imagine they tune out comments that aren’t at least a little constructive.

    Hey, people can obviously write what they like, and enjoy the comments however they like. I prefer a more low key tone, but that’s me.

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    Not to be preachy, by the way. I like that there are so many comments, and enjoy reading them, even when it is just ‘i hate The Fan’ stuff. All in good fun.

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    Another Steve 8 years ago

    Daniel,

    Fair point. I must admit, I first read Julian’s comment on my BlackBerry as I left from my evening lecture, and I was very much influenced by the tone of the “lather. rinse. repeat” comment at the start. It set a really unhelpful mood to the message, in my opinion. As someone once taught me, if you start a note in a sarcastic tone many people will read your comments with anger and you will in fact lose your audience.

    Anyway, I just reread his comments on my iMac and they are certainly a bit fairer than I had originally thought.

    I will also give him credit for the point form. One of my colleagues actually started encouraging me to write my emails to students using this format, under the assumption that so many people suffer from ADHD that they have difficulty digesting paragraphs. Anyway, it is easy to read.

    I suppose my original response was based on the thought that Julian was lumping everyone together, when I suppose that he wasn’t doing this (on second read).

    Anyway, we all have different backgrounds, and we all listen to these programmes for different reasons. Julian makes some great points, but Mike’s point is still valid – radio is deeply personal, and so we all have our own strange reactions to it.

    It’s hard to change the tone of comments – this can only be done if we continue to write polite and respectful comments. That is, we make the results ourselves. As for myself, generally speaking I recognize the name of the person making the comment and that helps me decide how closely I will read it. I am sure this is the same for everyone.

    As Vonnegut wrote, so it goes.

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    Couple of points folks. Look, you can comment whatever you want, or well, almost whatever. Having said that, it does get tiresome to see the same old comments over and over again.

    Yes, I have nicknames for folks, and I use them all the time, but you know what I mean.

    This site was created to let folks speak and read about the Toronto sports media scene. So write what you will. Personally, those of you who comment on actual stories or interviews are far more interesting to me. But, that’s just me.

    Speaking of nicknames…I have a new one for Greg Brady; 8mile.

    TSM

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    Dave in Bolton 8 years ago

    the fan sucks enough said

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    Darrell 8 years ago

    Caught a little snipet of the morning show and heard Greg Brady & Jim Lang talk about chest hair on their bodies. Sure sounds like “entertaining” radio to me? 😛

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    Mike In Boston – I think you nailed it! Radio is intensely personal hence the passion we see here in some of the comments. I also believe this is one of the few places for people to openly comment on the medium and specific shows or their segments. If one wants to comment on an article or sports blog it makes sense to do it in their comment sections. As to why this does not translate to TV on this site it could be as you say … you share your car with radio personalities.

    It is easy to discount Julian’s comments given the tone, but the commentary behind the tone is an interesting opinion. One I do not completely share. I do agree if you don’t like the host/guest/segment change the station. Likewise if you don’t like the comments or a certain poster skip over them.

    I also believe that criticism or commentary about hosts or program directors is as valid as commenting on articles, blogs, etc. They are opinions and therefore as valid as an other’s opinion whether agreed with or not.

    If I was a program director/personality you bet I would be on here. It is a valid source of feedback, even the rant factor. It cannot be taken in isolation but in concert with other sources such as comment sections for papers like the Globe, etc. There are trends which are as important and available to advertisers as they are the station. With the right tools anyone can “listen in”.

    A recent Pace University study showed that the online – social media trends for brands like Starbucks and Nike were leading indicators of share price. Positive trending – the stock went up and vice versa. Do we not think the same might be true for radio audiences? Don’t know but maybe. Is the buzz here on Brady and as MIB recently pointed to on the Globe site a concern if TSN finds a morning show format that is viable? I would certainly be coaching that way …

    I agree that controversy can and does drive interest. I am less convinced that contrarianism does not have the opposite effect. In my opinion what passes as controversy with informed debate on sports radio tends to actually be contrarianism leading to argument for argument’s sake. When in my car the last thing I wish to listen to is the latter, it brings back nasty memories of long car trips with my kids in the back seat. Good news now I push a button then the offensive duo is gone.

    Like others I visit daily and especially like when links are provided to interesting articles as I am inherently lazy. Yes sometimes the posts or threads are indeed tedious and tiresome, including my own, but on balance I enjoy the opinions expressed even if I don’t agree.

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    James 8 years ago

    Agree with Julian 100%.

    The comments used to have much more intelligent and cerebral discussion, recently it’s exactly like he said, a slam book.

    However, I’ve decided to not let the frankly sort of funny hatred people post upset me at all. It’s actually quie hilarious that the hated people are generating so much talk, and getting you to tune in again and again.

    I just don’t listen to shows I don’t enjoy, I dOnt feel feel compelled to listen to guys I hate for some reason.

    However if you keep on listening and talking about shows, you can be sure they wont go anywhere 😉

    P.s. the immature and childish attempts to insult Julian for a well thought out and inoffensive post are shocking. Shocking that they exist, and that someone or actually multiple people thought they were either funny or witty,