Blue Jays Should Talk To Those Who Don’t Go


Once again, perspective’s a funny thing. If you read Richard Griffin‘s account, it was much to do about nothing:

“Other than a few slightly edgy, pointed questions about the Jays missing out on three starting pitchers who landed elsewhere in trade for prospects, much of the anticipated fan angst was absent.”

If you read Bob Elliot‘s account, it was much different:

“Methinks it was 1995 when we first used the words “apathy” and “Blue Jays” in the same sentence.

And we used it in 2000, again in 2009 and probably could have used it many more seasons.

The words did not go together Monday as the three wise men — president Paul Beeston, general manager Alex Anthopoulos and manager John Farrell — sat atop the Jays dugout, along with MC Buck Martinez, at the eighth annual state of the union address at Rogers Centre.

Roughly 800 season-ticket holders showed passion, concern, knowledge, anger and frustration over an off-season which saw the Jays pass on Prince Fielder and bid on but not gain the services of Japanese free agent Yu Darvish.”

Jeff Blair chimes in as well:

“A cynic would of course note it’s a convenient excuse for not spending in the free-agent market or running interference for ownership – arguing about a person’s philosophy for running a team is like arguing with a manager about a decision based on a gut feeling – but it’s a better and much-clearer explanation than had been given previously.
It was almost as if the Blue Jays didn’t know what to do with the good will and sense of fan excitement they found themselves with at the end of the 2011 season.”

Here’s what I think. Those who have already committed their hard earned (or their companies) cash have a totally different perspective and respect than those who have elected not to make that commitment. I mean, wouldn’t it be more interesting for the Blue Jays brass to talk to those who didn’t renew? Or those on the outside looking in? How pissed can you be if you’ve decided to write the cheque? That’s not to say you don’t have a valuable opinion or even a vested interest. I think a better look at valuable feedback would be to talk to those who refuse to go and ask why. But, hey, that’s just me.

By the way, I am not liking the Jays chances this season. Jose Bautista is the cover boy of a video game, and that’s never a good sign.

Have you heard one Maple Leaf trade rumor lately? I don’t mean the ones where they say that those about to be free agents could be moved. That’s a conclusion not a rumor. To me a rumor is John Davidson saying on HNIC that he’s heard players x could be dealt for player y. I haven’t heard any of those from a respectable source. So, if that’s the case, why are all the Toronto papers talking about players being so down with trade rumors? Where are the players hearing these so called rumors? Are they on that nutty website where, really, any rumor is nothing short of the most insane proposal. Or better yet the my mailman’s nieces, uncle’s dry cleaner washes Brian Burke’s cat…… Really, where are these rumors that are dragging players down? I am not hearing them or seeing them.

So, who do you like the Superbowl?


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January 31, 2012 4:27 am

Deja vu all over again…. 🙂

I dont like either team, but i think giants are the lesser of two evils.

Dave in Bolton
Dave in Bolton
January 31, 2012 4:54 am


mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
January 31, 2012 8:19 am

just made the morning rounds of the Jays blogs and the fans are mostly on board with “the plan”. there has been a shift in the last couple of weeks towards acceptance that if this team is going to get to 90 wins it will be via internal improvement combined with FA signings of the sort we saw this off-season. the timeline is now 2014 and beyond. since these are fansites it’s hardly surprising that people have trust in the message being propounded. those of us who follow the team will always be interested in prospect porn, and this explains why fansites remain generally positive regardless of the team’s W-L record. The team’s minor league system is among the best, but ….

… if you take a step back and look at things objectively, the negatives are piling up:

– no one likes playing on turf (per Beeston/AA)
– few players like playing in Canada (per MLBTR/other MLB sites/Oswalt)
– the Jays won’t sign longer than 5 year deals (per Beeston/AA)
– Rogers’ payroll is 80 million (the Yanks and Sox are around 175-200 million, other wildcard contenders are in the 120 range)
– 17 years out of the playoffs, fewer than 5 of those could be considered playoff competitive
– high manager turnover in the last 10 years

mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
January 31, 2012 8:23 am

Methinks it was 1995 when we first used the words “apathy” and “Blue Jays” in the same sentence.

Any professional writer who uses the word “methinks” shouldn’t be talking about the apathy of others. Elliott has clearly given up.

January 31, 2012 12:50 pm

You bring up a real good point TSM, these things at times can be a bit of bubble talk. But I always view this thing much more of just a “feel good event, we care about you season ticket holders” than anything of substance.

MikeinBtown, I really think the turf is going to be the big next issue (or excuse) . There is nothing the team can do about the nation it plays in. But if you continue falling behind every other aspect you mention (payroll, length of contract, unwillingness to take chances, playing conditions like turf) I don’t know if you can compete.

I also think this notion of build from with-in can have many setbacks and most of the time don’t work. A constant losing culture can be negative on players, and players which it doesn’t effect negative to will want to jump to another team via making a stink and wanting a trade or FA after a certain period of time and that makes most of these baseball teams in constant rebuild mode.

As for the Superbowl, I really don’t have a feel for it. They are both really even. I might slightly go with the Pats, but not by much.

kamlesh s.
kamlesh s.
January 31, 2012 4:00 pm

the patriots only won 1 game all season against an opponent with a better than .500 record. that was last week and it was luck with the swatted ball and missed field goal.

eli will have and easier time against the pats defence than the 49ers; he’s going to pick them apart.

January 31, 2012 7:29 pm

I’m not really sure how those things qualify as ‘negatives piling up’, Mike. Most of those are constants the team has dealt with the last 15 years. Other than contract stuff, they’re hardly a reflection of the current management of the team.

January 31, 2012 7:34 pm

That’s like saying “the negatives are adding up for the Raptors – no playoffs in five years, only have ever won one playoff round, free agents don’t want to come to Canada’ in assessing Collangelo’s current plan/stage of development. They have nothing to do with it, really. They’re constant negative factors, but they don’t tell us anything about the success or failure of the GMs plan.

January 31, 2012 7:51 pm

As for the Jays timeline, I honestly think it’s too hard to tell. They could deal Hutchinson, Gose, Darnaud, Marisnick and Syndergard tomorrow and probably get enough in return that they’d be expected to win 90 games in 2012. (Not that I think they should destroy their system like this for a short term gain).

On the other side though, maybe AA doesn’t find a deal he likes. Or maybe the young core (Lawrie, Romero, Morrow, Rasmus etc) might flop. Then maybe they’d feel as though they’ve have to wait a couple years for the next wave of young players to push 90 wins.

I think the depth of the system allows AA to speed things up if he chooses. He just hasn’t pulled the trigger yet. I think there are too many variables to really firmly say ‘this team could win 90 games in 2012’ or ‘it might take a couple years’. We’re just going to have to see if this young core, with it’s supposed high upside, is going to live up to it’s potential.

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