Toronto Sports Media Sports Radio Lineups

By Rob Gregg

Here’s your drive home lineups

On Sportsnet 590 The FAN from 4-7pm, Prime Time Sports with Bob McCown:

TBD

On TSN Radio 1050 from 4-7pm, Cybulski & Co., with James Cybulski:

Scott Milanovich, Argos head coach

Tom Anselmi

Darren Dreger & Bob McKenzie

Euro 2012 preview with Gareth Wheeler

On TSN (5pm) & TSN2 (6:30pm), Off the Record with Michael Landsberg:

Mike Comrie, Former NHLer

Manny Pacquiao, Boxing Legend

Mitch Williams, MLB Analyst

Tonight on Sportsline:

Has the Stanley Cup Final between the Devils and Kings bored you to tears? After humbling the Spurs, are the OKC Thunder the class of the NBA? Has David Cooper done well enough to earn a full time job with the Blue Jays, would Rudy Gay or Andre Iguodala fit well with the Raptors, and after firing their coach is TFC a total disaster?

Join Hebsy & Bubbs, tonight at 7 on CHCH

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Kamlesh
Kamlesh
June 7, 2012 11:45 pm

Ha Ha, vintage Wilner tonight. I hope that shot at McCown doesn’t get him thrown off the Fan.

Ami Angelwings
June 8, 2012 1:15 am

OMG he took a shot at McCown? o: *can’t wait to listen to the podcast*

Another Steve
Another Steve
June 8, 2012 1:15 am

Thanks for the tip, Kamlesh. I am just listening to the Jaystalk right now – it was great. I can’t imagine how boring it would be with a yes-man who just agreed with every silly thing that the callers said.

Another Steve
Another Steve
June 8, 2012 1:19 am

It wasn’t a real shot at McCown per se.

You have to listen to it in context – the caller suggested that McCown was a baseball expert (or something like that) and Wilner shot that down pretty quickly, while still be quite respectful to Bob.

Daniel
Daniel
June 8, 2012 2:55 am

Oh man. I’ve got to listen to that.

I know some hate Wilner, but I totally appreciate him. Sure he can be condescending and rude to callers – but it’s hard to argue that he’s not entertaining. And he absolutely knows his stuff.

Has there been a more entertaining post game host in Toronto in the last 15 years?

Ami Angelwings
June 8, 2012 3:41 am

Wow Wilner was in a bad mood today. o_o

Also I think he probably wishes most baseball commentators (or people who fancy themselves as, like Bob) would shut up and stop filling the fans heads with things that Wilner doesn’t believe are true (or doesn’t interpret it the same way).

Listening to this is like watching a passive aggressive flame war online. o_o

I wonder if Zaun invited Wilner to his party…

mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
June 8, 2012 5:05 am

I know some hate Wilner, but I totally appreciate him. Sure he can be condescending and rude to callers – but it’s hard to argue that he’s not entertaining. And he absolutely knows his stuff.

it’s possible to be entertaining and knowledgeable without being condescending and rude. Part of the reason so many JaysTalk callers are so awful is that Wilner turns off the more competent ones. One can’t help but wonder whether he’s most comfortable talking at those with the least amount of sophistication.
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Also I think he probably wishes most baseball commentators (or people who fancy themselves as, like Bob) would shut up and stop filling the fans heads with things that Wilner doesn’t believe are true (or doesn’t interpret it the same way).

Bingo. The reason i stopped listening to Wilner or reading his blog was that he took himself to be an authority on which conversations about the Jays were worth having. Talking baseball is such great fun precisely because there are so many ways of analyzing the data, and Wilner sucks all that fun out of that for me.

Stan
Stan
June 8, 2012 6:09 am

Mike, I couldn’t agree more with you about Wilner. – great post!

itchy butt
itchy butt
June 8, 2012 7:49 am

Speaking of Bob, how embarrassing was his Glass Tiger discussion yesterday? First, he had no idea the bumper music was Ac/Dc’s Back In Black….I thought anyone under 70 knew that song. Then he declared that Glass Tiger’s Don’t Forget Me When I’m Gone was a “worldwide #1 smash hit”. It wasn’t! Since Alan Frew is another FOB I guess Bob can’t see thru his FOB glasses.

I’ve been a big Bob defender but lately he’s sounding like Imus.

Dok
Dok
June 8, 2012 8:04 am

Wilner is the god of bad timing, yesterday, of all days to take evena perceived shot at bobcat after Scott Moore spent an entire segment basically falling all over himself due to the ratings. That’s not a good idea for long term employment

Another Steve
Another Steve
June 8, 2012 8:23 am

I think there are a lot of people who really like Wilner just as much as I do – the sample size from this blog doesn’t strike me as statistically significant. (Look to DrunkJays, for example.)

To be blunt, I find it terribly amusing when he puts down the callers – most of whom, in my opinion, are asking for it.

itchy butt
itchy butt
June 8, 2012 8:29 am

@Another Steve
I wouldn’t want anyone else doing Jays talk. In the world of radio lackies he’s a breath of fresh air. Imagine him doing Leafs talk! Having to deal with those cement head callers.

Darrell
Darrell
June 8, 2012 11:26 am

I have been rather vocal about my distaste for Mr. Wilner, but last night was totally not cool listening to the show. I had the radio on just before going to bed and Wilner has definitely got to go off FAN 590 airwaves.

Yes he does get some idiots who do call in about stupid trade requests, batting lineup issues and all sorts of other petty stupid stuff. But you don’t get into shouting matches with the callers, as he did last night.

A different angle – but look at Norm Rumack. Anyone who listened to the FAN back in the mid 90’s until his dismissal, used to act like an immature baby with some of his callers (re. Gary from Scarborough call – where Rumack says, “Gary, drinking and talking on the radio is dangerous…” You don’t cut down your listeners. That resulted in his dismissal, right? I was not a fan of Rumack at all the first time around but this time around he is much more listenable and enjoyable to hear on the radio.

I am sorry but Wilner’s gotta go! NOW!!!!!

Daver
Daver
June 8, 2012 2:12 pm

Geez Darrell for someone who hates Wilner so much, you seem to be listening to him quite often.

Why did you keep your radio on if you heard the man you dislike so much? Turn it off right away, don’t tune in because of your supposed “distaste” for Mike.

Darrell
Darrell
June 8, 2012 2:14 pm

I’ll take what you are saying under consideration!!! NOT!!!

Darren
Darren
June 8, 2012 4:09 pm

One word from Bob and Wilner is gone, I’d be very careful if I were you Mikey, your broadcast career could be history if ya don’t respect Bob. Wishful thinking on my part but to never hear Wilner again would be a great Fathers Day gift!

Truck Turner
Truck Turner
June 8, 2012 5:02 pm

I’m not sure there is a talk radio program anywhere that actually benefits from having callers, and I am absolutely certain that if such a beast were to exist that it would not be a sports show. So, with that caveat, Wilner was always going to be fighting an uphill battle. However…

…I cannot for the life of me fathom how people not only tolerate Wilner’s industrial-strength obnoxiousness, but champion it, and in particular his decimation of the witless wonders who call in to his program. The biggest problem I have with it (apart from Wilner’s made-for-print-media voice itself) is that inviting an endless assortment of dipshits on to talk about the prospect of trading Carlos Villenueva straight-up for Justin Verlander only serves to strengthen Wilner’s obnoxiousness and arrogance, just as a hand-picked assortment of tomato cans can make a mediocre boxer into a title holder with a gaudy win-loss record. Wilner has long adopted a posture of having successfully cornered the market on wisdom, and if the only challengers to his opinions possess just enough mental capacity to successfully write their own name in crayon and little else beyond that, of course his opinion is going to look like the more informed one. The few times I actually have heard a reasonably cogent caller (with the admission that I very seldom listen to his program at all anymore, and even then it’s usually an accidental occurrence—turning on the radio and his show already being on, for example), he tends to be even quicker to dismiss them than he is the outright jackasses, who he seems to prefer engaging in combat with instead. I don’t even think he’s capable of a measured, reasonable discussion at this point, much less keeping his ego at bay long enough to try.

I’d also be careful about invoking the Drunk Jays Fans contributors as leading lights of baseball wisdom, as well—like many zealous adherents to the church of Sabermetrics, they’re just as given to overstatement and misuse of data to support a tenuous argument as those they mock—a number of advanced stats are indeed more instructive than many traditional “counting” stats, but their tendency to dismiss said counting stats (RBI, for example) entirely out of hand as being entirely useless and without merit suggests that they’re scarcely more intelligent than Wilner’s usual posse of wingnuts and kids with mittens sewn to their sleeves year round. Even Bill James himself makes the point that all stats old and new exist to reveal part of a complete picture, and that no one or even two stats in isolation will serve that function…something that Sabermetricians are just as apt to ignore as the stubborn, myopic old-schoolers they have so much contempt for. That they generally support Wilner is not surprising, since by most measures, they pretty much *are* Mike Wilner…or might as well be, as they are effectively interchangeable and indistinguishable from each other, apart from DJF being afforded more latitude to curse.

But, given Wilner’s bewildering popularity around these parts, clearly I’m in the minority. Clearly there is a market for arrogant bell-ends baiting ignorant jackasses and shouting at them on-air. Personally, I am holding out hope for a bit more thought and a bit more civility in a post-game show than the Mike Wilner Punch & Judy Hour has to offer, but your mileage may vary.

Darren
Darren
June 8, 2012 5:12 pm

Can I get an ‘Amen’

cam
cam
June 8, 2012 5:12 pm

Truck Tuner – that has to be one of the very best posts I have read here in a very long time

Daniel
Daniel
June 8, 2012 5:53 pm

“The biggest problem I have with it (apart from Wilner’s made-for-print-media voice itself) is that inviting an endless assortment of dipshits on to talk about the prospect of trading Carlos Villenueva straight-up for Justin Verlander only serves to strengthen Wilner’s obnoxiousness and arrogance”

I think Wilner actively discourages calls like this, and encourages callers to be ‘rational and reasonable’. I’ve never heard him out there saying something that might encourage or invite those kind of dumb calls.

“I’d also be careful about invoking the Drunk Jays Fans contributors as leading lights of baseball wisdom,”

In my opinion the guys on that blog are the best thing to happen to baseball discussion in Toronto in years. I do agree though that they can go too far toward sabermetrics, and their style might not be for everyone. But I really think they’ve become the voice for the younger, stat savvy baseball fan. It’s nice to see that a community of fans with that kind of passion exists.

“That they generally support Wilner is not surprising, since by most measures, they pretty much *are* Mike Wilner…or might as well be, as they are effectively interchangeable and indistinguishable from each other, apart from DJF being afforded more latitude to curse. ”

Well, they have many similar outlooks as Wilner. As they do with guys like Kevin Goldstein, Keith Law or Jonah Keri. But they’re not interchangeable. They ripped Wilner for a while for his claim that ‘Brett Cecil is basically the same pitcher as Cole Hamels’ a few months ago.

I really enjoy Wilner and DJF. But it’s certainly subjective. And your post was definitely well written and point well made.

Daniel
Daniel
June 8, 2012 5:56 pm

For Wilner haters – at least TSN employs Scott Ferguson, who is kind of the anti Wilner is some ways.

Maybe they should consider giving him a little more airtime, or let him take calls for those who are Jays fans but don’t like Wilner’s style.

mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
June 8, 2012 7:15 pm

great post Truck Turner. i have no problem with people enjoying the Jerry Springer appeal of JaysTalk … i just have no interest in listening to dimwits debate douchebags.
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how sad is it that Jays fans have to choose between Wilner and Ferguson? Surely there has to be someone who can provide a middle ground between these two. I quite like Shi Davidi’s work on the FAN and I’m a very big fan of John Lott, though I have never heard him on the radio.

Mike S
Mike S
June 8, 2012 7:19 pm

I agree with just about eveything that Mike in Boston wrote about Wilner……………….and I also agree with just about everything Truck Turner wrote…………….as I have said before, just because a baseball analyst doesn’t worship at the feet of guys like Keith Law and Jonah Keri it doesn’t necessarily mean that analyst is clueless

If it is true that Wilner took a bit of a shot at McCown’s baseball knowledge last night then it wasn’t the first time……………I seem to remember him doing a similar thing a few years ago…………..a caller brought up something McCown had said about baseball and Wilner responded with something like this: “Bob McCown does not do as much research and show prep as he would want you to believe”……………that statement is probably true but I was surprised to hear Wilner say it on the air and I always wondered if McCown ever found out about it

Kamlesh
Kamlesh
June 8, 2012 8:45 pm

You’re real brave Truck Turner dissing Wilner in your enviably written post. I suspect if you called into his show and tried debating him there would be nothing left of you but a hank of hair and some molars. As for Wilner’s made for print voice, I’m sorry not everybody sounds like Ron Burgundy. I’m sure you would like that when you “accidentally” turn on the show.
I am also sorry about your bad luck. Yes, only a few cogent callers and you just happened to “accidentally” tune in when Wilner dismissed these mental giants. Imagine the minuscule probability of that happening. Unless of course the statement was bogus.
You say the DJF are just as given to overstatement and misuse of data to support a tenuous argument as those they mock. Unfortunately you don’t give any examples. But I understand time and space being short it would be difficult to make room for examples of the many errors of DJF, and also write about more important things such as mittens, crayons and tomato cans. Unless of course there were no examples you could come up with.
I see that your “accidental” tuning in to JaysTalk has troubled you greatly. Perhaps I can be of some help. Please try not to “accidentally” turn on the radio after a Jays game as this is when Wilner is usually on, bad voice and all. I sure a man with your extraordinary faculties will begin to realize this, perhaps after the 400th or 500th time you “accidentally” turn on the radio.
Oh come on Truck, lets not fight anymore. Join us. I’ll keep the Wilner Koolaid chilled and the crayons dry for you. I’ll even buy you a pair of mittens and sew them to your sleeves myself.
We’re not that bad. There is rare internet footage of us, I hope viewing it will soften your harsh, unwarranted judgements.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB6KFa7-6B4

Darren
Darren
June 8, 2012 8:51 pm

Hey Kamlesh (nice name by the way) How bout you go back down to your Mommy’s basement and get back to surfing porn, your much better at that then sarcasm! Get a job, a life an move in to the big wide world minus Mommy paying your internet bills. Who knew Wilner actually followed this blog!

Ami Angelwings
June 8, 2012 8:52 pm

I think Mike (In Boston) had an interesting point up there. Raise your hand if you would ever call into Jays Talk with a thought that you weren’t sure Mike Wilner agreed with?

I wouldn’t. The only people who would are the ones looking for a fight or who are ignorant but certain in their rightness. He may not LIKE those callers but he’s kinda filtered for them at this point. :\

Even if you say something he agrees with, I’ve noticed that lately Wilner has this tendency to tell you that’s not true, then re-word what you said, and say “that’s what happened” (Bob does this too, maybe it’s just a call in show host thing) which is pretty condescending. :\

I like Wilner, and I find the bad callers hilarious, and I like his thoughts and that he’s whip smart & doesn’t buy into stuff like “he tries hard!” and stuff… but I think sometimes he’s unfairly mean and I don’t find that really entertaining. :\ And I think after a Jays loss, he’s always extra sensitive to calls he sees as negative, and so going in, you’re already going to be wrong.

Kamlesh
Kamlesh
June 8, 2012 9:24 pm

Thank you Darren, Kamlesh is a nice name. It is a Sanskrit name for boys meaning The preserver, Lord Vishnu. I know you will agree that parents from India can pick names from their culture.

I look forward to getting a full time job when I graduate university in 2 years. Perhaps then I will visit your place of employment and say, “Yes Darren, I would like fries with that.”

By the way you mistakenly use “then” when you should have used “than”. I know it must hurt getting your English corrected by a mere Kamlesh.

As for the surfing of porn, I swear it was “accidental”.
Have a nice week end Darren.

Sean
Sean
June 9, 2012 10:26 am

This has been a great read. One the more entertaining posts in a while. I am not sure what side i fall on as i am occasionally on one side of the wilner argument and find myself on the opposite just as much. I do not blame wilner if he does take a shot at mccown. It has been duscussed at length how little mccown knows on some issues. As much as it frustrates us, i have no doubt it frustrates guests and other broadcasters more. The discussion regarding morneau yesterday no doubt had many in the know pulling their hair out.
Kamlesh your posts made me laugh ..well done..and +1 for sctv reference.
i hope this mostly respective/informed back and forth continues

Sean
Sean
June 9, 2012 10:27 am

Because i have not said it enough already …no doubt!

BECKS
BECKS
June 9, 2012 11:21 am

Wilner should be fired for those on air comments towards McCown! I can’t see Bob or the Rogers brass putting up with Wilner’s BS for much longer.

And for the record McCown used to host Jays talk back in the day and did a far better job at it than the abnoxious non entertaining Wilner. So for Wilner to say what he did about Bob’s baseball knowledge is uncalled for.

Wilner out and Campbell & Zaun in for Jays Talk FTW!! After the games Campbell & Zaun could make their short final post game comments for the TV broadcast then move to a radio booth either at the Rogers Studios or at Skydome to host Jays Talk!!

Darrell
Darrell
June 9, 2012 12:09 pm

I am not pro Bob McCown; I am not anti Bob McCown. I always think of him on the morning show years ago as host.

What irritates me about Wilner is how every single player on the roster is all-stars. How every roster move on the team is “a great move going forward”. This team is improving and doing pretty good – but for pete sakes every roster in sports has some good and some bad on it. It just gets irritating hearing Wilner’s praise about every last thing that the Blue Jays do.

I actually like Wilner’s saying the negative comments about McCown. It’s a breath of fresh air to hear FAN 590 personalities attack others – but I am sure it doesn’t go over well with the FAN 590 management types at the Rogers empire. Wilner is the king of morons at the Rogers empire, don’t get me wrong. Rogers and McCown walk around like McCown’s a sports God. Not one sports personality should walk around like he is “all that” (Wilner or anyone).

Somebody needs to squash Wilner’s head and ego like a grape! I wrote an e-mail yesterday complaining about how tiring Wilner’s act is on the radio.

Petr
Petr
June 9, 2012 3:25 pm

I think Wilner may be on a very short leash already. Anyone notice the other day when the FAN announced Baseball Central was returning July 3rd with Sam Cosentino as host. Strange that its not Wilner isn’t it? Maybe its some sort of audition for Cosentino?

Ami Angelwings
June 9, 2012 5:08 pm

Wilner only appears to think the Jays are perfect b/c he’s providing counter balance to the callers. If the callers think the moves are great and Yan Gomes will save the Jays, he’ll pour cold water on that.

Most of the callers are highly critical though, so Wilner feels he needs to provide the positives of the players. I do think that it’s a bit condescending though, it assumes the caller doesn’t know that there are positives as well. I mean there’s positives to everybody, but you can criticize people who you don’t think are doing very good at their job.

I think that constantly taking negative calls, and probably more to the point, letting the negativity get to him so that’s all he remembers, is making Wilner paranoid about every negative call being “end of the world” and so he wants to head them off at the pass, even if they haven’t shown that they are the “end of the world” callers.

Daniel
Daniel
June 9, 2012 5:17 pm

“Wilner only appears to think the Jays are perfect b/c he’s providing counter balance to the callers. If the callers think the moves are great and Yan Gomes will save the Jays, he’ll pour cold water on that.”

This is exactly right.

There are far, far more negative calls than positive. Callers tend to call and say ‘seasons over!’ after a couple losses in a row or ‘this player is garbage, release him’ after a few bad games. This is when you hear Wilner say ‘everything is fine, stop overreacting’. He absolutely pours cold water on calls that overreact to an average player hitting well in April (ie Jeff Mathis).

I think he’d like to see the Jays win, but I don’t get the sense he’s a homer. Certainly not more than anyone else on local team broadcasts.

Hey, in the end it’s different strokes for different folks.

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