Toronto Sports Media Sports Radio Lineups

by Rob Gregg

Here’s your drive home lineups

On Sportsnet 590 The FAN from 4-7pm, Prime Time Sports with guest host Jeff Blair. John Shannon co-hosts from 5pm:

400 – Phones
520 – Nick Kypreos, Sportsnet
540 – Mike Sunnucks, Phoenix Business Journal
600 – Mike Wilner, Sportsnet 590 The FAN baseball analyst
610 – Damien Cox, Toronto Star & Sportsnet
620 – George McPhee, GM, Washington Capitals
640 – Pat Brisson, agent for Sidney Crosby

On TSN Radio 1050 from 4-7pm, Cybulski & Co., with James Cybulski. Bob Mackowycz co-hosts:

Mayor Rob Ford
Dan Shulman
Damon Stoudamire
Bob McKenzie
Darren Dreger

On TSN (5pm) & TSN2 (6:30pm), Off the Record with Michael Landsberg:

Pierre LeBrun, TSN NHL Insider
Gary Payton, NBA Legend
Mitch Williams, MLB Analyst
Jason De Vos, TSN Euro 2012 Analyst

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alex
alex
June 28, 2012 5:43 pm

I wonder if the guy from Phoenix isn’t a paid guest at this point, he’s on enough.

I have a feeling Blair’s enthusiasm for today’s show was deflated with Germany’s loss today.

Darren
Darren
June 28, 2012 5:46 pm

Does Shanhon think because he repeats himself and begins every sentence with “let me tell you” that he is more creditable?

(Another) Andrew
(Another) Andrew
June 28, 2012 5:48 pm

520 – Nick Kypreos, Sportsnet
540 – Mike Sunnucks, Phoenix Business Journal
600 – TBA
620 – George McPhee, Washington Capitals GM
640 – Pat Brisson, agent for Sidney Crosby

The above is why I haven’t been listening lately. Has the world’s biggest sporting event this year (Euro 2012) been discussed at all on PTS this month? Has Wimbledon been mentioned? Based on the schedules listed at TSM I’m guessing not that much…if at all.

robg
robg
June 28, 2012 6:00 pm

Another Andrew, Cox now on at 6pm to talk Wimbledon. Nadal out in Round 2?! Cox was on earlier this week talking Wimbledon as well, as he is over there for it.

robg
robg
June 28, 2012 6:03 pm

my bad Another Andrew, he’s on later in the show

alex
alex
June 28, 2012 9:27 pm

Zeisberger was supoosed to be on from.poland, but had phone problems.

Theres been good coverage of the euros. Not as much as i want personally, but its not being ignoted.

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Wilner today said “spockian eyebrow.” On pts. How strange.

itchy butt
itchy butt
June 29, 2012 8:22 am

hockey hockey hockey hockey………..

For the love of Allah……

Brad
Brad
June 29, 2012 8:30 am

^^^..PRICELESS!!

Darrell
Darrell
June 29, 2012 9:12 am

To some extent I can agree that Toronto sports media and media in Canada probably (who knows as I live in Toronto) – talk too much about hockey but they wouldn’t talk about hockey “all the time” if it was not an interest in the sports fan.

Off topic here – but I was watching the draft (NBA) last night. Am I the only one who finds it stupid that David Stern announces each and every pick? I prefer the way the NHL does the draft.

Roger
Roger
June 29, 2012 9:23 am

An update from Lake Ontario: Alex Anthopoulos does NOT walk on water

Darrell
Darrell
June 29, 2012 10:55 am

LOL Roger (above). He DOESN’T walk on water???? Really??? LOL!

mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
June 29, 2012 12:01 pm

flipped on Wilner after the game last night. He said:
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Beeston/AA NEVER said that they would spend more money when attendance increases. Rather, they have steadfastly maintained that when the team starts winning then people will come out and that will give them more revenue to spend on payroll.
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there is no universe in which that is an accurate portrayal of what AA and Beeston have said re: the Jays’ payroll. what a shill.

Curt
Curt
June 29, 2012 12:33 pm

Wilner, Buck, Jamie are all Jays shills. Wilner is particularly funny though because he steadfastly denies being a shill – presumably because he’s critical of Brett Cecil. Come in off that limb, Mike…

I don’t mind a bit of homerism from time to time – I’m a Jays fan too. But, please don’t insult my intelligence by feeding me BS. Bottom line for Wilner and all the shills is this: the Blue Jays are 24th in payroll spending. 24th. You’re never going to compete in the AL East with that unless you completely bottom out for several years and collect/sign number 1 picks ala Tampa.

The Jays are just mediocre enough to not collect number one picks, but also never compete for a post season berth. Player development is important, of course, but they also have to spend at least a little. In the early ’90s, the Jays had the biggest payroll in baseball (hard to believe today). Obviously, they can’t spend what the Yankees spend, but is it too much to ask that Rogers puts us in the top 10? That’s when this team will show me they’re serious and really be in a position to challenge. In the meantime, I ain’t buying Wilner’s kool-aid.

(This message will be repeated…)

Daniel
Daniel
June 29, 2012 1:33 pm

@MIB To me the difference between “Beeston/AA NEVER said that they would spend more money when attendance increases.” and “when the team starts winning then people will come out and that will give them more revenue to spend on payroll” is this –

Because attendance is up, that doesn’t mean they’re immediately going to add to payroll no matter what. But it allows them to spend more on players, should the right guy be available. That seems completely correct to me, and I hope it would be. Saying ‘we’ve got 20 mil this offseason, lets spend it all regardless”, would probably put you in some bad situations. That seems like a correct portrayal of what AA/Best have said to me.

@Curt –

“The Jays are just mediocre enough to not collect number one picks, but also never compete for a post season berth”

I think this is 100% the right path to take in the NBA or NHL, but the MLB draft is far harder to predict than those. You can build an elite farm system by drafting in the middle of rounds if you’re willing to take risky picks and go overslot on players. The Jays have done that since AA came on, and now have a top ranked farm system. They’re not really reaping the benefits of it yet, but they most likely will (through trade or when guys like Gose, Darnaud, Hech arrive). So it wasn’t necessary to finish last for ten years for them (though that certainly helped Tampa, yeah).

Overall, I think spending wisely is more important the just spending. Nice to see the fans show up this year though – at least they’re raising the question.

I can understand feeling fed up, it’s been a frustrating year. I will agree that I think AA could have done more to help the present squad, while he continues to improve the future. Another starter would have really helped. Having said that, considering they lost their #1 (Morrow is ace at this point), #4 (Drabek), #5 (McGowan), #6ish (Litsch), #7ish (Hutchinson) starters and their closer to injury, they probably would have been screwed regardless.

The 2012 Jays kinda needed a lot to go right to sneak into the WC, but the 3 starting pitching injuries in four days was probably the death knell. Having said that, somehow they’re only 3 1/2 out (feels much worse than that). If AA can swing a starting pitching trade they could hover on the periphery.

Curt
Curt
June 29, 2012 2:11 pm

Fair points. But virtually every club have had to deal with serious injuries, and I’m not convinced the pitchers we had go down would have made a huge difference either way – outside of Morrow, who looked great for the most part; Drabek was reverting back to last season’s form when he went down, and while Hutchinson looked good, it would be interesting to see how the tough part of the schedule (AL East clubs) would have dealt with him. I guess what I’m saying is we can’t use injuries as an excuse.

I’m not saying spend money for the sake of spending money – obviously you have to spent wisely, but AA’s excuse that we’ll spend when we’re ready is, I’m sorry, a total cop out. Like Zaun said, you need to add pieces when they’re available – like Fielder. There was an elite power hitting lefty available at 27 years old – they don’t come along very often – if ever – at that age. How good would he have looked at hitter-friendly Skydome instead of at huge Commerica Park? Some people baulked at a 9 year contract (or used that as an excuse not to sign him), but that’s the price. If you’re serious, you pay it. If not, well let’s just hope Adam Lind works out you…

Ami Angelwings
June 29, 2012 2:23 pm

Does anybody have the original quotes from Alex Anthoupoulos and Paul Beeston’s exact quotes from last winter? Because basically unless people do, it’s always going to be an argument of “no, YOU’RE remembering it wrong” between the defenders and the critics. Not even Wilner has said “this is EXACTLY what he said”, Wilner’s just going by his memory (and his interpretation) as well.

The only thing I found in my quick google search was Paul Beeston saying: “We’re still capable of going to the US$120 million payroll once we start drawing the people.” at the winter meetings, but not if there was more that he said before and after that.

Just going by that, it sounds as if Wilner is wrong, because that is pretty clearly “we’ll spend that much once we get the attendance”.

Chris
Chris
June 29, 2012 3:00 pm

It is not so much that people demand hockey talk as it is the on air talent has no knowledge of any other sports. They know this and push hockey hard as a form of job security, the market leader has esentially given up covering NHL hockey and that is bound make “puck heads” nervous.

Friends of mine that were avid fan listeners 2-3 years ago moan like wounded animals if you put it on now in the car. Its nothing but hockey hockey hockey inturupted with the implication that the Blue Jay’s problem is impatient fans and nothing more. Ratings are a joke (based on sample size) and yes people may not call in during non-hockey talk (a crutch in any discussion with hockey fans) but the truth is people have just turned sports radio off.

Euro cup, the biggest NBA story line since Jordan coming to a climax, Tennis, summer baseball (non jays) CFL, and a few interesting stories in the NFL are just filler for a few washed up/never where hockey guys ruining what was a great sports radio market.

mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
June 29, 2012 3:33 pm

thanks Daniel for being the voice of reason that Wilner somehow fails to channel when on JaysTalk. You should apply for his job …
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Overall, I think spending wisely is more important the just spending.

who would disagree with this? I think we all look back on the BJ Ryan signing, the VW signing, the Rios signing, and the AJ Burnett signings and can see why most of these were bad moves. But it’s hard to look at the body of work that Fielder put together and think that you’ll do better over the next 5-7 years by looking elsewhere. Same goes for Darvish … sure there is a risk, but i don’t think signing him would qualify as spending for the sake of spending.

Lastly, AA has done a great job getting younger guys to sign to team friendly deals. This should allow him the flexibility to make some calculated gambles on higher priced guys. If Beeston’s policy is that we ONLY sign team friendly deals then the Jays will have to wait until they add a 3rd and 4th wildcard.

Curt
Curt
June 29, 2012 3:44 pm

Before the Winter meetings, the company line was something like, once we’re ready to contend, we’ll raise our payroll. (I do remember $120 mil being thrown around.) Personally, I don’t agree with that vague presumption, (how do you know when you’ll be “ready” and wouldn’t spending some money help get you there?) but that’s another point.

Now, and this is important – that tune changed when Rogers bought into MLSE just before the Winter meetings. All of a sudden, spending was tied to revenue/attendance, according to Beeston. Richard Griffin wrote a bang-on article about it: http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseball/mlb/article/1099733–griffin-jays-could-become-afterthought-in-rogers-empire

I think the Jays fell down the asset priority list once Rogers bought into MLSE. AA is a very good GM, in my opinion, but I believe his hands were tied when the Blue Jays became an “afterthought” for Rogers.

Curt
Curt
June 29, 2012 3:46 pm

Spot on, Mike.

robg
robg
June 29, 2012 3:53 pm

Curt, good point on the Roger’s buy in of MLSE, but didn’t McCown have Beeston on just after that, questioning him on whether the Jays slipped down the priority list as a result of the purchase?

Darrell
Darrell
June 29, 2012 4:08 pm

I am not saying Anthopolous has not done a good job; but he has not done a great job either.

Whether it be Godfrey, Riccardi, Beeston or Anthopolous – the Blue Jays would rather sit on the tag line, “we cannot compete with the Yankees and Red Sox” instead of stepping up using some of our money that we shell out to Rogers and invest it in the team.

Has Anthopolous done a good job? Yes. Has he done a fantastic GM of the year job? No.

I just feel that the entire Blue Jays management structure and that moron Wilner should stop with the tag line – “we will spend when ready!” Am I the only one who sees some comparisons between Blue Jays fans and Leaf fans? Leaf fans will pay top dollar and the team has stunk the joint out year after year. The Blue Jays have not paid top dollar and the team has gone on the complete thrifty route and fans are just accepting the company line.

As for Rios, Burnett, Ryan, Wells – it just wasn’t money wisely spent. I agree that all deals are not smart moves. There are reasons why Brian Cashman, Alex Anthopolous, Theo Epstein and the other 27 GM’s are in Major League Baseball. It’s because they have the experience and expertise to scope out the busts from talent. They know a TON more than any single one of us will ever know.

In closing, I am just so sick and tired of the Blue Jays company line. The company line of producing young talent that are the next phenoms, don’t do anything to address your team needs during the season (like right now) and then expect the fans to stay loyal to you when you have half a season to address your needs. Instead they rather do nothing and then come October, say that they couldn’t do anything because of the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox.

Contrary to what you may think by what I am saying – yes I am a Yankees fan and I have lived in Toronto my entire life. I would love for the Blue Jays to be competitive (at least to drum up some competitive wagers and bets with you Jays fans) but the Blue Jays are taking you fans for suckers and I just think you need to stand up and push Beeston and Anthopolous to improve your roster. This year is a total crap shoot as to how the division plays out. Anybody can win.

If and when they get eliminated from playoff contention this fall, will 5 teams making the playoffs be not enough?

Curt
Curt
June 29, 2012 4:28 pm

RobG: Yeah, I remember Beeston with Bob. But, to be fair, what is he going to say? “You’re right, Bob. We’re down in the pecking order at Rogers, now. To Jays fans, find another club to support – nothing to see here.”

Darrell, I really don’t see much in common between Leafs fans and Jays fans. (I’m a Jays fan and I loathe the Leafs – moreso now that my Jays are in bed with them.) The big difference is Leaf fans are generally sheep and will show up and buy into the false hope regardless of how pathetic they are. Jays fans don’t. Personally, I’m with you, I can’t stand Buck, Wilner et al constantly “selling” this team. It insults my intelligence and makes me very angry (Michael Corleone).

Darrell
Darrell
June 29, 2012 6:16 pm

Jays fans – buy into the garbage Anthopolous and Beeston feed you. Only now do you guys show up but the tv ratings clearly show that you are buying into what Anthopolous and Beeston are feeding you.

Leaf fans – buy the garbage, no matter what. Both Leafs and Jays are sold with the knowledge that next year will be a better year than the previous year.

Toronto Maple Leafs are more of a mess than the Blue Jays – but it is just a shame that Rogers is all over the product (TV, sports radio, stadium, contests) and yet they cannot invest in producing a better product. Do I say that they have to hit homeruns every time? No. But at least show fans that you are trying to improve your product. Don’t just sit there – throw your hands up and say that you cannot compete with the big boys or the reason why you lose a given season (like this one) is due to injuries with half the season to go.

Daniel
Daniel
June 30, 2012 2:02 am

Haha thanks Mike in Boston.

Not going to lie, I would have been over the moon if the Jays got Yu or Prince, but honestly I’m not so sure they’ll look great in a couple years. Certainly a possibility! It’s just that so few of these mega deals work out after a couple years (who would’ve thought wed see Carl Crawford like this? John Lackey? Heath Bell? Etc) It’s so hard to predict, and big money makes these guys pretty untradable and unbenchable.

But- I agree with you that if the Jays never make that step of taking spending up a notch, they’ll be hard pressed to compete. I think they will, and mostly get why AA hasn’t yet .. But yeah, I will be pissed if we don’t see that in the future.

On the bright side, I think I read that attendance is up about 6000 a game from this time last year – so at least fans are forcing the issue with Rogers, and not letting them use an attendance excuse going forward.

Daniel
Daniel
June 30, 2012 2:11 am

@Darrell – I think you’re right, we can’t really say AA has done a GREAT job until they make the playoffs. I really like his philosophy and the moves he’s made, but his plan has got to pan out.

I’ll say this, I prefer his approach about 100 times more than Riccardi or Ash (Or Burke/Collangelo for that matter). I like that he’s trying to build an elite, controllable foundation, without shortcuts.

It’s true that every team has injuries, but losing three starters in four games is pretty insane. I think the Jays should have acquired more pitching depth for 2012, but I don’t think anyone could lose most of their rotation and be fine.

Darrell
Darrell
July 2, 2012 12:15 am

After a game like today’s Jays game (Canada Day) against the Los Angeles Angels, articles like this (http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/2012/07/01/wilner_jays_cordero_canada_day/) is all the proof that I need to show that Mike Wilner and the other chumps at Rogers think nothing is wrong with the bullpen or team. I am not saying that the team is garbage – but if the team was as good as Rogers people say it is, don’t you think they’d have a sniff at a playoff spot?

I won’t keep going on about my distaste for Wilner, because that’s too easy. However, after a game like today, the analyst on the radio says that Blue Jay fans don’t have a right to be upset with the play of Francisco Cordero?!??!? Are you kidding me???? I am not even a Jays fan! Just proof that Rogers empire Blue Jays employees can’t seem to take their Blue Jays glasses off.

Darrell
Darrell
July 2, 2012 12:18 am

@Daniel – I agree about taking A.A.’s garbage he feeds more than listening to Riccardi or Ash.

Daniel
Daniel
July 2, 2012 2:11 am

“if the team was as good as Rogers people say it is, don’t you think they’d have a sniff at a playoff spot?”

I would be very surprised if the Jays made the playoffs this year, but they definitely are sniffing. They’re 2.5 games out.

Also, there are plenty who work for Rogers who rip the team for not spending more. More than who seem OK with it. (Zaun, Grange, Brunt, Brady, Lajoie, McCown). So to be fair, it’s not a ‘Rogers thing’.

mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
July 2, 2012 10:22 am

the commenters over at BB are having their own little referendum on Mr. Wilner.

http://www.battersbox.ca/article.php?story=20120701143856452
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it seems many people believe that someone else could do the job better than Mr. Wilner. I’m inclined to agree. Whenever I talk baseball with others I’m reminded that disagreement can be fun. Jays fans would be better served by someone more able to entertain viewpoints other than his own.

Ami Angelwings
July 3, 2012 5:00 am

I agree. I think Wilner’s become too jaded by Twitter and his bad callers and he’s basically constantly in war mode. :\ And while I understand that there’s some entertainment value in him smacking people down, it gets old fast, and I’m starting to realize his show has basically become Bill O’Reilly, and just because I tend to favour Wilner’s viewpoints doesn’t mean I enjoy that style of show. :\

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