New Toronto Sports Media Feature- Weekend Drive

By TSM

A reader suggested a weekend post to keep you all busy and I thought I would take the idea and add to it.

Every Friday or Saturday I will post a random topic related post for you all to banter about over the weekend (that was the suggestion).

I will then ask you during the week for a recommended topic (that’s my addition).

So, for week one, I ask the following question, please try to keep your answers free from the usual ” I hate _____” or “____ is horrible” etc. You guys are generally great, so you know what I mean.

If you could make one change to the Fan 590’s current lineup, what would it be and why?

Happy weekend!

TSM

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Darren
Darren
July 6, 2012 8:08 pm

If I only had 1 it would have to be to replace Wilner on Jays Talk.
I am a Yankee fan 1st but always root for the Jays, fans deserve better.

John
John
July 6, 2012 8:13 pm

If I had to make a change I would add a “pardon the interruption” style show with a panel of hosts bound to a time clock for an opinion. This panel is where I would draw my vacation hosts from.

mario
mario
July 6, 2012 8:13 pm

Thanks TSM and the reader who came up this idea I think this a great one a a good topic to start things off. As for changes at the Fan today with all the shuffling about the past two years or so its is by no means perfect but time to let the dust settle for now. Some tweeking I am sure will happen between now and Sept the slow time for radio. Ratings as inperfect as the system is and let not go there we all know its B.S.. Now lets get different personalites on be it print ,TV or business from differnt markets in the states or or Canada on a whole host of sports topics there is far to much local voices on and always the same one on both stations. Give us somthing diferent to keep us entertained thats what its all about..

Mike
Mike
July 6, 2012 8:17 pm

I would make the change of removing Roger Lajoie, Rob Wong, and Jeff Sammut from the rotating hosting they do in the weeknight 7-11 slot. When the Jays or Raptors are not occupying that time slot Sportsnet 590 The Fan needs just one host to be doing that time slot…. what about if they brought back Don Landry to do weeknights ??? or maybe even Andrew Krystal???? but the current crop just arent cutting it in the weeknight 7-11 time slot. Right now TSN 1050 Toronto wins that time slot due to the veteran presence both Jim Tatti and Mike Hogan offer listeners in my opinion.

Anyone else agree???

ML in Kingston
ML in Kingston
July 6, 2012 8:20 pm

I would like to see Tim & Sid Simulcast on Sportsnet One, a nice lead in to PTS.

Darren
Darren
July 6, 2012 8:36 pm

Didn’t Tim an Sid’s thing for not being on TV just end recently? I assume they will be using the both quite often now.

Lee (Oakville)
Lee (Oakville)
July 6, 2012 8:47 pm

I think PTS needs to be refreshed and aligned for the future, so I would love to see Elliotte Friedman’s role expanded as a permanent co-host alternating with Brunt.Friedman is intelligent, able to speak expertly about most sports, and is not afraid to disagree with McCown. He would be a huge improvement over Cox and Shannon.

itchy butt
itchy butt
July 6, 2012 9:10 pm

I would put WIlner on 24/7, and broadcast all Yankees games, 24/7.

Oh, wait…..

Marilyn
Marilyn
July 6, 2012 9:17 pm

Get rid of Tim and Sid, put Brady and Lang back on tv,or let Brady host when Bob from Primetime goes on vacation. Also try to get Bryan Hayes From TSN a spot in the lineup

Another Steve
Another Steve
July 6, 2012 9:23 pm

I would get Doug McLean to cover other sports. I find him amusing, but I find hockey-talk tedious.

The Londoner
The Londoner
July 6, 2012 10:23 pm

I would tranquilize John Shannon. Then put him into a box. Have the helicopter carry the box to Antarctica. Then open the box and release John Shannon back into the wild.

Bobby G
Bobby G
July 6, 2012 10:53 pm

Any change to PTS must start with firing the host. Without that move, no other change is possible because Bob rules the roost. If you’re willing to set him free — and have him end up at a competing radio station in a few months — then you can start talking about losing Shannon, Cox, etc…
As for me, I’d revamp the morning show to make it listenable. It’s just whiny and weak.

alex
alex
July 6, 2012 11:34 pm

“So, for week one, I ask the following question, please try to keep your answers free from the usual ” I hate _____” or “____ is horrible” etc.”

so much for that. :>

In a perfect world, steal Arthur back from TSN and make him and Brunt the co-hosts of PTS.

In a more realistic world, only 2 people on the noon show. The show is much more listenable when its not 3 people constantly trying to one-up each other.

Darrell
Darrell
July 6, 2012 11:51 pm

I would replace Greg Brady & Jim Lang with Tim & Sid as the new morning show guys. Tim & Sid would be an easier duo to wake up to and deal with the fact of whatever duties you have to face to start your day.

I would find another regular weeknight host on the 7 PM – 11 PM time slot other than rotating Rob Wong, Roger Lajoie, etc.

Replace Wilner, replace Wilner, replace Wilner on Jays Talk. His act has really worn thin and see how people think of him as a “baseball expert”. Fans deserve better host than Wilner – to willingly share joys and share complains about the team without being judged for actually having an opinion.

daver
daver
July 7, 2012 12:42 am

Hey Darrell, you forgot to add in “I’m a Yankees fan”

Daniel
Daniel
July 7, 2012 3:01 am

I’ve been listening to The Fan basically since its inception, and I think this is probably the best lineup they’ve ever had.

If I could make one change it would probably be to have Eliotte Friedman become the rotating PTS cohost with Brunt, while dropping Shannon from the mix.

And maybe some more interesting weekend stuff.

mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
July 7, 2012 8:30 am

Wilner is really starting to alienate the majority of the Jays fanbase. For a nice breakdown of recent inanity see:

http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2012/7/6/3141549/fun-with-arbitrary-statistical-manipulation

Wefewee
Wefewee
July 7, 2012 9:56 am

Although I very much enjoy reading his stuff, I have a hard time listening to Blair. Not a voice for radio, unfortunately.

Sean
Sean
July 7, 2012 10:56 am

I agree with putting Tim and Sid on in the morning. I have the same opinion on what a morning show should be (upbeat and not trolling listeners ). I doubt that ever happens since their appearances on pts is increasing. Given my job i have to catch most if tim and Sid on podcast.
Also Mike (i.b.) thanks for postng that site. I spent a bit reading through it. Great site to add to my reading list …though it will no doubt lead to more frustration down the road as it will make it even more clear members of the media are talking out of their ass…or what is the phrase used now ‘asking the question that has to be asked ‘

Sam In Scarb
Sam In Scarb
July 7, 2012 11:42 am

It would absolutely have to be blair 9-12 !
I don’t tune into a sports talk station to hear a host st-udder and take 25 seconds to form a question to a guest.

Curt
Curt
July 7, 2012 1:28 pm

I would make serious changes to PTS. First, I would want to find out once and for all whether Bob wanted to continue as host or not – settle his “contract situation”. Bob doesn’t seemed to be engaged in or even like his job anymore. He doesn’t follow sports like he used to and his opinion is often provided by the co-hosts/guests that appear on his show – and those opinions change weekly (Colby Rasmus for example). He’s a caricature of his former self and less relevant each day. That said, if he wanted to recommit himself, and put in an actual effort again, fine. If not, I’d call his bluff and let him go. Blasphemy for some to suggest that, but it’s what I think. Next, and it goes without saying, but I’d drop Cox and Shannon like a bad habit.

Ami Angelwings
July 7, 2012 1:52 pm

The “rationally, reasonably, critically” thing is why I’m starting to feel like Wilner’s become Bill O’Reilly, or Michael Coren… they both label anybody who disagrees as being irrational, and that rational people will agree with their point of view. And that’s what Wilner’s doing. That’s why I cringed when Wilner started to add the “rational, reasonable comments will be accepted” thing to his blog b/c it’s SUCH a typical way to frame debate as you being correct from the very beginning. :\

Also, people who cherry pick stats get Wilner yelling at them to look at the overall. If you were upset about Colby Rasmus last year, or Escobar the year before, Wilner always responded talking about the last few years and their career thus far… but now suddenly you can pick out the appearances you want from Cordero and ignore the rest?

If Wilner wants to be the voice of rationality, he could at least be consistent. :\

I agree with Wilner most of the time, and I still do love his intelligence, and even his personality. I think he’s witty and smart and has a great sense of humour and he’s deliciously snarky. But the way he’s acting lately is putting me off because I don’t like people who use these tactics to frame their argument as being indisputable. :\

Sam
Sam
July 7, 2012 1:57 pm

1. Extend Tim & Sid to 5pm. Cut McCown’s show to 5-7pm.
2. HockeyCentral: as a general rule, have McLean, Kypreos, Mallard on only once per week with all three together.

Mike W
Mike W
July 7, 2012 3:56 pm

With all the changes that have been made to 590 and Sportsnet in the past 2 years I don’t think TSN offers much competition. Take their playoff hockey coverage out and I find myself rarely if ever tuning to TSN. A change I could see working would be to move Tim and Sid to PTS and give McCowan a one or two hour round table Mon and Fri.

Ticky
Ticky
July 7, 2012 3:59 pm

Fire McCown and his douchebag ass. Create new drive show; one that doesn’t interview players/athletes/coaches as that’s the best type of sports show you can have.

Another Steve
Another Steve
July 7, 2012 5:05 pm

I really have to be picky here, MiB: how do you know that Wilner is alienating “the majority” of the fan base? That’s really hard to say without stats – but maybe I am just acting like Wilner. 🙂

Ami, I don’t think the comparison to Coren and O’Reilly is such a good one…for a lot reasons.

Sorry for being extra picky here. I totally understand that people don’t like Wilner, but I visited friends/family in NS last week, and a lot of people there really enjoy Wilner. When I talked about how he rubs some people the wrong way the response tended to be a shrug.

Abby
Abby
July 7, 2012 5:14 pm

If we are combining radio/TV my first change would be replacing Buck and Tabler. Buck’s voice just rubs me the wrong way and Tabler basically mimics Buck’s thoughts. Ashby would be a great PBP guy on the TV side. Put Zaun with him and let Gerry do a Vin Scully.

Ami Angelwings
July 7, 2012 7:38 pm

I was only comparing how they all define what’s “rational and reasonable” and use that to filter out disagreement. :\ It has nothing to do with personal politics.

BECKS
BECKS
July 7, 2012 11:47 pm

I would replace Greg Brady & Jim Lang with Tim & Sid as the new morning show guys. Tim & Sid would be an easier duo to wake up to and deal with the fact of whatever duties you have to face to start your day.
I would find another regular weeknight host on the 7 PM – 11 PM time slot other than rotating Rob Wong, Roger Lajoie, etc.
Replace Wilner, replace Wilner, replace Wilner on Jays Talk. His act has really worn thin and see how people think of him as a “baseball expert”. Fans deserve better host than Wilner – to willingly share joys and share complains about the team without being judged for actually having an opinion.

This ^

Goodbye So Long…

Don Kollins
Greg Brady & Jim Lang
Blair
Shannon
Cox
Sammutt
Wong
Wilner

mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
July 8, 2012 1:40 am

Another Steve: I really have to be picky here, MiB: how do you know that Wilner is alienating “the majority” of the fan base? That’s really hard to say without stats – but maybe I am just acting like Wilner.
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totally fair. i had a couple of things in mind there, neither of which is decisive as proof, but each of which is good enough for the purpose of discussion.
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1. the critics outnumber the supporters. this is obviously a weak point since the internet is a medium populated by people who want to gripe about stuff. but, having said that, even people who are fans of Wilner have started to be more vocal in their complaints (see Ami). Maybe there are tons of Wilner fans, but few of them (relative to his detractors) rush to this message board to defend him.
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2. the number of critical blog posts is rising. i read a lot of blue jays blogs. these can be sorted into 3 groups: those who like Wilner, those who hate Wilner, and those with no stated stance. Among the 3rd group there have been more blog posts ripping him this year than i can recall in the past.
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again, none of this is proof that more people dislike him than like him. my only strong belief is that the post game show could be a lot better than it is with a change of direction.

BECKS
BECKS
July 8, 2012 10:49 am

After the much anticipated Silva vs Sonnen UFC fight last night, which was expected to have approx 1 million pay per views, i turned on the FAN590 looking for some post UFC coverage & commentary. WTF is up with Norm Rumack? Right after the main event ends Rumack announces he will have “some UFC discussion later in the show” then proceeds to do an entire segment interview with Rick Dudley about the Montreal Canadiens…next segment…he then proceeds to play an old interview with Jays coach Butterfield all the while right after the UFC card ends TSN1050 is all over it with extensive coverage.

Rumack is a fool and an idiot if he can’t produce a show doing up to the minute breaking sports news like last night’s UFC he has no one but himself to blame if he gets fired again. It was widely rumored the reason Rumack was let go was because of his refusal to do current sports news in favor of interviews.

Adios…

Norm Rumack

Alex
Alex
July 8, 2012 11:23 am

Its possible they were waiting to have showndown joe do a live hit from vegas.

Of course, if so, he should have said that.

Daniel
Daniel
July 8, 2012 2:11 pm

“It was widely rumored the reason Rumack was let go was because of his refusal to do current sports news in favor of interviews.”

Sorry, but I’m 99.9% sure you just made that up.

Darrell
Darrell
July 8, 2012 2:15 pm

I am lukewarm on Rumack. I don’t think he is great, his second time around but I don’t think he is horrible either.

The small thing I don’t like about Rumack is that he comes across as this big hockey genius that everyone should know and value opinions from just because his lips are so far up Rick Dudley and Jim Devilano’s butt.

BECKS
BECKS
July 8, 2012 2:58 pm

@ Daniel i’m 99.9% sure that you are a fucking idiot.

Daniel
Daniel
July 8, 2012 4:17 pm

Hey I respect your opinion that you don’t like Rumack. But you know … no point putting stuff out there that’s not true.

Becks
Becks
July 8, 2012 7:10 pm

You really need to knock off the trolling Daniel and shut your mouth and don’t be accusing me of “putting stuff out there that’s not true” because it’s well known why Norm was let go he would not follow instructions as to what the FAN wanted him to do on air they got fed up and Norm was fired.

daver
daver
July 8, 2012 8:05 pm

Ummmm Becks,

If anyone here is trolling, it’s you. How is it well known why norm got fired the first time? I don’t believe he did interviews about it, nor has anyone ever spoken on the subject.

mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
July 8, 2012 8:23 pm

if this thread is any indication, this new feature is a good one. Although to be fair we’re pretty far off the proposed topic …
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i seem to recall us having a discussion back when Norm was let go. The general feeling was that as an employee from way back in the early days he was probably earning a healthy paycheque in what is assuredly the least important time slot. i think we also talked about how it was strange that he never moved up the ranks to a more prominent slot. there was also talk about whether the management liked his appearances at strip clubs.

mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
July 8, 2012 8:40 pm

i don’t follow hockey so a lot of this is lost on me, but this story has the potential to be interesting:

http://canadiansportsfan.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/so-who-is-hockeyyinsiderr/

Darren
Darren
July 8, 2012 8:42 pm

No it doesn’t

Daniel
Daniel
July 9, 2012 1:03 am

Here’s what this blog wrote about Rumacks firing:

http://torontosportsmedia.com/sports-and-toronto/started-fan/4583#

Someone in the comments linked to a blog post from Howard Berger that blames the firing on the recession and claims Milman agonized over the decision. I haven’t seen any other speculation on the reasons anywhere.

Poker Guy
Poker Guy
July 9, 2012 11:42 am

The one change to FAN 590 I would make is to remove Greg Brady & Jim Lang from the moring show. My reason is because the morning show is beginning to sound very stale. Much like when Landry was there at the end of his tenure. You could tell Landry sounded very bored, tired. I don’t think Brady is bored with the gig, I’m saying the show itself doesn’t seem fresh. They need to think about injecting new bloodlines into the morning slot.
I heard Onrait and O’Toole on TSNR, and they were good, filling in for Cybulski. FAN needs to find a pair like those two. I suppose putting Tim & Sid in the mornings would be the simple answer, but then you have a hole at 1 – 4. Then again you could put Marek vs.Wyz in that slot to offset Tim & Sid to the mornings.

Mike S
Mike S
July 9, 2012 12:40 pm

I am tempted to say the change at 590 I would like to see the most is another suspension for Wilner, this time maybe a permanent suspension

All kidding aside, if they are going to keep Blair in the mid-morning slot I would like to see a decent co-host for him……………..and I would like to see an upgrade on PTS co-host when Brunt is not there (more Friedman if possible and less Shannon)……………Shannon should only be on occasionally and only about hockey-related issues…………..and I would like to have less 590 employees on the weekly roundtable and more external people

I almost never listen to 590 on weeknights & weekends so I’m not sure what changes they could make to entice me to turn the dial to them at those times

Ami Angelwings
July 9, 2012 2:04 pm

“and I would like to have less 590 employees on the weekly roundtable and more external people”

Seconded.

Bob Canuck
Bob Canuck
July 9, 2012 3:27 pm

If I were to make one change to the Fan 590 it would be to find a co-host for Jeff Blair and I think Alex Seixeiro would be a good candidate: he is young; showed a lot of promise when he was a fill-in / weekend host prior to becoming a sports news update reader; as I recall, had a good sports-knowledge base; and is very polished. An out-of-the-box co-host candidate would be Nigel Reed. I don’t know if his knowledge of sports goes beyond football / soccer but he is a fine broadcaster, not afraid to express an opinion, and is very witty. If he does not have enough knowledge of traditional North American sports, then he would not be a good candidate.

As a bonus suggestion, I think Brady & Lang could use some tinkering. I think a good addition to Brady & Lang has been Mike Farwell. Compared to Jim Lang, in particular, I find Mike Farwell’s opinions to be better-informed, more consistent and more rational. Maybe you dump Jim Lang, promote Mike Farwell and bring in Ben Ennis or Rob Wong to replace Mike Farwell.

Hey, maybe you just dump Brady & Lang, move Tim & Sid into the morning slot and replace them with Alex and Nigel! Better check to see there is not a CRTC rule about too many hours of Seixeiro in a given day!

Bora
Bora
July 10, 2012 12:34 am

Nigel Reed is a pompous dumbass

Darrell
Darrell
July 13, 2012 1:45 pm

Total random thought.

Does anyone remember the time when it was said that Andrew Krystal would be doing the morning show during Prime Time Sports with Bob McCown? Then Krystal and McCown had some snickering about Bob going to do it?

I wonder if Bob would ever say that he was tired of doing PTS and go back to do the morning show and have Tim and Sid move into PTS time slot? I can recall back in the day when Bob McCown was on in the mornings with the likes of Debbie van Teekabelt (however the heck you spell it?) and the other names.

I am not saying I would like Bob on morning show and not saying that it would happen. You move Bob to morning show, Tim & Sid to PTS, axe Brady & Lang and move Marek & Wishinski into Tim & Sid’s afternoon time slot.

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