Prime Time Sports Review for Friday, November 9, 2012

By Ami Angelwings

4pm hour – Bob McCown hosting

First segment: Interview with Bob Elliott

  • Elliott and Bob discuss their favourite memories of old winter meeting
  • Elliott discusses the Jays moves so far, and who they might go after
  • Both Elliott and Bob think that Anibal Sanchez is worth $90 million over 6
  • Elliott agrees with Bob that Farrell shouldn’t have been allowed to leave to Boston because it makes the Jays look small time

Second segment: Listener calls with Bob McCown and interview with Jeremy Roenick, former NHL player

  • Calls are about the Blue Jays
  • Roenick comes in and Bob talks to him about his new book

5pm hour – Roundtable discussion with Bob McCown, Stephen Brunt, John Shannon and Doug Smith

First segment: The CFL in Toronto

  • The roundtable discusses Eric Tillman being fired in Edmonton and possibly coming to Toronto
  • Bob points out how poor the attendance at Argo games is, and that the numbers are inflated
  • Brunt talks about how there’s been little talk about the Argos and the CFL in general on the FAN590 and that the Argos have fallen off the map, Smith agrees
  • Shannon thinks the CFL is still quite strong in Ontario in terms of TV ratings

Second segment: What are the Jays doing this offseason?

  • Bob reiterates his desire to know what Jays management plans to do in terms of spending money
  • Brunt says it’s interesting that there’s still such a strong Jays conversation among the fanbase despite the lousy end to the season
  • Smith and Brunt think that the Jays will make big splashes this offseason, Bob doesn’t think so

Third segment: Random talk

  • Shannon says that the road-heavy Raptors opening schedule is because of the ACC being booked for the Leafs
  • Smith points out that the Raptors are playing at home on a Saturday during Hall of Fame weekend, everybody agrees this makes no sense
  • Roundtable discusses Jerry Jones as owner of the Dallas Cowboys

6pm hour – Roundtable continues

First segment: Discussion of the NHL lockout

  • Brunt thinks that the danger this year is not that fans get angry, but that fans get cynical and don’t care
  • Bob says that people haven’t talked to him about the lockout and seem apathetic, Shannon says people talk to him about the lockout constantly

Second segment: Discussion of the Lakers firing Mike Brown, who should replace him as coach of LA?

  • Smith explains that Brown tried to force the players to learn an offense rather than building an offense around the players
  • Bob thinks that Butch Carter would be a great coach for the Lakers
  • Smith agrees that Carter is a good coach, but that it will probably be somebody like Phil Jackson, or Mike D’antoni

Third segment: Prime Time Bullets

  • First bullet is about the Rockford Icehogs having a Hispanic Heritage weekend with all sorts of Mexican stereotypes as gimmicks, Bob thinks this is incredibly offensive
  • Second bullet is about the coaches that may be fired and hired in the NFL
  • Third bullet is about the NFL fining a player for faking an injury, Bob rants about faking in soccer, Brunt dodges Bob challenging him to name a soccer player who hasn’t faked an injury in his career
  • Fourth bullet is about Mark McGwire saying he doesn’t deserve to be in the hall of fame, Shannon agrees

Thoughts:

Despite Shannon being on this roundtable, I didn’t mind it that much.  I think this is because Brunt and Smith had good chemistry and the two of them, with Bob, made this an interesting roundtable.  I think the only time I found Shannon really annoying was during the Jays segment because he kept trying to interject with stuff that showed he didn’t really follow the Jays or baseball.  Also, during the lockout segment he pointed out that people talk to him about the lockout a lot, without understanding that the reason probably is that he’s John Shannon, pal of Bettman, and he hangs out with a lot of hockey people.  Naturally, this would lead to a lot of people talking to him about the lockout.

At this time last year, during one of the roundtables, Smith and Brunt made the same prediction they made this year about the Jays spending money.  I’d need to go back and check the podcast for the exact date, but I distinctly remember Smith being very excited about the Jays going into the Winter meetings, and he was saying that it was going to be big and Alex is going to do something big.  Brunt was saying similar things, that things had changed for the Jays and they would be spending money on Fielder or Darvish.  They were obviously both wrong last year.  I guess we’ll see about this year.

I actually enjoyed the CFL talk.  This isn’t because I’m a huge CFL fan, but I enjoy some variety in the topics, and I like it when Bob and Brunt talk about the greater culture of things, and the business of leagues.  I do think that it’s a little presumptuous to say that because PTS doesn’t talk about the CFL, nobody cares, because other shows and stations talk about the CFL, and obviously there are people that care.  I don’t know what the deal is with PTS and the CFL this year, but just because Bob doesn’t want to talk about something doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s something that people no longer care about.

According to the comments on this blog, Brunt and Bob’s numbers regarding the CFL weren’t correct either, nor were Shannon’s about the popularity of the CFL.  I don’t know anything about this, so I can’t comment.

I’m pretty sure I heard Shannon trying to say something throughout the Lakers coaching discussion, but he ultimately quieted down as Doug explained quite thoroughly why Mike Brown was the wrong coach for that team.  Given his argument with Grange about this issue, I’m pretty sure he was about to defend Brown again, but Smith isn’t Grange, and doesn’t take a circuitous route to make his case.  I think Smith explained the situation quite well, and it allowed the discussion to proceed to who should replace Brown rather than get bogged down into an argument about basketball strategy.

I don’t mind if Bob and his older friends, like Elliott, talk about their memories of things as long as the stories are new and entertaining.  I enjoyed Elliott’s stories today, and they did get into some Jays talk afterwards which I also found interesting.

In general, I rate roundtables by their listenability, and whether I delete them right after I write a review or keep them around to listen to again during the weekend.  This is one I would listen to again, so I think this was a decent roundtable.  I still wish they would stop booking Shannon onto the roundtables though, at least as long as there’s no NHL.  I would have enjoyed Perkins in his place, or even Friedman.

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Ami_Angelwings
Ami_Angelwings
November 11, 2012 6:02 am

I just listened again, and Bob says that the Argos refuse to talk to any network except TSN. Is this true? I don’t pay as much attention to the rest of FAN590 programming as I do PTS generally, though I sometimes listen to Blair & Tim & Sid. Do any Argo players or coaches or execs show up on the other shows? If it’s true that the Argos won’t let anybody talk to Sportsnet, that would explain why PTS has been completely ignoring them.

Alex
Alex
November 11, 2012 10:38 am
Reply to  Ami_Angelwings

Tim and sid have had cfl players on the show, including chad owens and ricky ray.

Kamlesh
Kamlesh
November 11, 2012 2:08 pm

I enjoy John Shannon. His comment about why the Raptors have so many early games on the road and the CFL ratings were an anodyne to the generalities spewed by Smith and Brunt. Shannon had a funny comment about Bob would not be getting a ticket to the Hall of Fame ceremonies. I didn’t get it until I read on TSN that they have the rights as the Hall’s broadcaster for the next 10 years.

With hockey, curling, CFL, world juniors, etc, TSN is still the hegemon of Canadian sports, even with the primacy of 590. Dutch and Hedger and Jay and Dan probably bring in more ad money than PTS. I remember the TSN’s president taunting letter on their website after the NHL last trade deadline; he mentioned TSN had double the audience of Sportsnet, even though Sportsnet threw the kitchen sink at TSN with the ex-GM roundtable et al. Bob Mackenzie has more twitter followers than all Sportsnet personnel combined and many stories on TSN’s website have many multiples more of comments than Sportsnet’s columns. Combining tv and radio Sportsnet seems not even close to TSN.

TSN radio bosses still have to answer as to why Brady, Lang, Tim and Sid are on 590 when they were all available during 1050’s start-up planning. Is is because the PD is from the Vancouver and didn’t know the talent in Toronto?

But they are many good things he did. Inside the Lines and Live Audio Wrestling are better than their competitors on 590. 1 on 1 with Will and Duane and the Show with Cesco are bringing different, interesting voices to sportstalk. Jay and Dan’s podcast may be building a young online audience like Tim and Sid did, which would transfer with them if they move to radio. Sports Beats is a great podcast, a very original idea for an all sports station.

James Cybulski has been mentioning his show will be going on TV soon. He is a very appealing presence on television and this will bring more of an audience to his show. Cybulski’s studio seems more inviting, with its Alvar Aalto-like sculptued wood table, than the PTS one, which looks like 4 people sitting on a dais. PTS is always stiffer on TV than on radio for some reason. I expect the Cybulski show to be the better one on TV, and will use this advantage to bring down PTS.

And there is the comic genius that is Matt Cauz(and maybe, hopefully Jim Ralph when hockey starts). He’s better when on his own that with a cohost. When he was on Gamenight, Scott MacArthur predictable brought Cauz down by stepping on his lines and adding his own lame jokes. MacArthur is the anti-fluffer of TSN. Leave Cauz alone(although he did have chemistry with Wheeler) and give him more air time.

Mike S
Mike S
November 11, 2012 3:12 pm
Reply to  Ami_Angelwings

Brady and Lang have had Argo players on their show several times over the last couple of months

Ami_Angelwings
Ami_Angelwings
November 11, 2012 3:22 pm
Reply to  Alex

Oh, ok. So what is Bob talking about? -_-

Mike S
Mike S
November 11, 2012 3:25 pm

My favourite moment of this week’s PTS roundtable was when Shannon was talking like he was an expert on basketball and he referred to legendary coach Pat Riley as “Mike Riley”
Am I the only one who is tired of hearing how good of an NBA coach Butch Carter was?……………..if he was so good how come no one ever hired him when the Raptors fired him?……………..and I am also a bit tired of hearing how good guys like Charles Oakley and Alvin Williams were on those teams……………….if the Raptors had so many great coaches & players then why did they only win one playoff series in an incredibly weak Eastern Conference?……………..just because they were the best team the Raptors ever had doesn’t mean they were a powerhouse

Darren Johnston
November 11, 2012 4:52 pm
Reply to  Ami_Angelwings

Did I already not say that about the Argo’s keeping with TSN?

Darren Johnston
November 11, 2012 4:55 pm
Reply to  Kamlesh

You coulda just said I like TSN more thn Sportsnet!! LOL

Darren Johnston
November 11, 2012 4:56 pm
Reply to  Mike S

Carter is a ‘FOB’, that should be all ya need to know.

Daniel
Daniel
November 11, 2012 5:25 pm
Reply to  Kamlesh

Wow. TSN employee maybe?

Ryan
Ryan
November 11, 2012 5:35 pm
Reply to  Kamlesh

You are 100% accurate in your comments. When it comes to sports, TSN is the gold standard.

Ryan
Ryan
November 11, 2012 5:37 pm
Reply to  Ami_Angelwings

In the words of Archie Bunker, Bob is talking “crappola”.

Curt
Curt
November 11, 2012 5:43 pm
Reply to  Kamlesh

“I enjoy John Shannon.” Sorry, mate, but I stopped reading after this sentence.

Alex
Alex
November 11, 2012 5:51 pm

Im guessing that gruesome ankle injury will generate cfl talk on 590 tomorrow.

mike in boston
mike in boston
November 11, 2012 5:53 pm
Reply to  Kamlesh

you like both Shannon AND Cybulski?

mike in boston
mike in boston
November 11, 2012 5:55 pm
Reply to  Daniel

he said he likes Shannon! Why would anyone, let alone a TSN employee, say that?

on second reading i think this is some meta-level trolling. Referring to any radio host as a comedic genius was a giveaway.

Derrick
Derrick
November 12, 2012 11:51 am
Reply to  Mike S

Bob doesn’t talk to players.
Has 590 ever had an executive of the Argo’s (coach, GM) or an executive of the CFL on? Or for that matter an executive of the league on?
Bob used to have the commissioner (Mark Cohon) on a semi-regular basis, but I haven’t heard him on once.

Derrick
Derrick
November 12, 2012 11:52 am
Reply to  Derrick

Sorry, “any executive” of the league on?
I do recall Eric Tillman once or twice.

Alex
Alex
November 12, 2012 12:20 pm
Reply to  Derrick

Well, cammalieri (sp) was just on the show last week, but it sounds like he is a golfing FOB, which probably trumps all.

Bob hasnt even had Pinball on lately, that i recall.

Alex
Alex
November 12, 2012 3:39 pm

FWIW, both Blair and Tim/Sid had Argos players on today.

Capn2patch
November 12, 2012 8:18 pm
Reply to  mike in boston

the sad thing is, if insiders are swallowing the kool-aid like he is, what does the future hold for TSN radio?

Steve-O
Steve-O
November 13, 2012 11:04 am

–Must have been the 10th time that Bob has brought up Butch Carter for an NBA Coaching job, which is interesting as Carter has not coached in the league for about 10 years…FOB indeed!

–Maybe it is because I am a regular PTS listener, but I cannot tell you how many times I have heard Bob tell his late 70’s Winter Meeting shows, and the on-air party that ensued with everyone dropping by. Maybe its time for some new anecdotes

–One poster commented that Wheeler/Cauz on TSN work well together, which should come as no surprise because they worked together for years on The Grill Room on Sun TV

Guest
Guest
November 13, 2012 1:29 pm

When I listened to the podcast after reading this review, I thought I had downloaded the wrong one. In this one, it was Becker who got agitated with Brunt first, and Brunt merely stated his position (quite logical to me). Even once Becker opened the Pandora’s Box of personal character, Brunt stayed quite measured. Becker was the one who was stammering, high-pitched and emotional (screaming “IT IS!” when Brunt made his point). Brunt just stated his argument without getting personal. Maybe reading the review prior to listening to the podcast had me expecting a real blow-up with a ‘nasty’ Brunt, but I found absolutely ZERO wrong with how Brunt made his point, quite factual and staying true with the position he has stated repeatedly (and for which he turned in his voter card for the BBHOF). He didn’t accuse Becker of anything personal (too close to players, not being knowledgeable enough, etc.) and contrary to what is said in this review, he let Becker finish his thoughts. He just happened to reply with an argument that blew Becker’s point of view out of the water. Proving someone wrong shouldn’t be construed as being ‘dismissive’. It’s simply winning a debate. I think what the review shows is how a person’s own beliefs can cloud their judgement on how they perceive the argument taking place.

Personally, I don’t agree with Brunt on voting for Clemens. But that shouldn’t cloud the way I perceive the debate that took place. And it shouldn’t slant the review either.

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