TSN Drive Review for Monday 18 February 2013

TSN DRIVE with Dave Naylor – Monday, 18 February 2013

by Alex
First Hour: Co-Hosts Bruce Arthur and Steve Simmons

Segment 1 – Show introduction

* The 6-7 hour of the show will be on TSN2
* Tease of Dave Nonis at 5:30
* Bruce went to see Andrew Wiggins in Hamilton Sunday
* Bruce says you can see Wiggins has “it”
* Bruce says he was markedly better than Hamilton high schoolers against whom he was playing
* Steve talks about recent blue chip Canadian college basketball players
* Steve wonders if he will “adopted” by Canadians like Gretzky and Nash
* Bruce says Wiggins will go to Florida State or Kentucky or UNC or Kansas next year
* Steve says he began hearing about Wiggins 4 years ago
* Wiggins comes from athletic pedigree (NBA player father, Olympic track star mother)
* Comparing Wiggins to Steve Nash’s early career
* Steve compares Wiggins to Colin Kaepernick
* Steve talks about potential for Canadian Olympic teams after Brazil
* Comparison of participation of basketball and hockey players internationally

Segment 2 – Leafs/Senators from Saturday

* Honoring 1963 Leafs
* Comparing Leafs’ ceremonies to Canadiens’ ceremonies
* Steve says there are only so many Leafs teams to honor, same with 1992/3 Blue Jays
* Steve says he’s the oldest guy of the room and he doesn’t remember the 1963 Leafs
* Talk of how Toronto is only historically major team with no great history winning
* BRuce compares Leafs to Cubs and Cubs fans
* Steve talks about Dave Keon being at the Leafs game
* Talk of current Leafs and potential Luongo deal and is it still alive
* Bruce says Vancouver shouldn’t move Luongo until the off-season

Segment 3 – NBA All-Star Weekend

* Terrence Ross winning Slam Dunk contest
* Bringing the ASG to Toronto
* Bruce talks about being an All-Star Dunk Contest historian
* Discussion of Jerry Buss and his legacy as Lakers’ owner
* Dave asks if there is a Jerry Buss in modern sports ownership
* Dave talks about how rare it is now for an owner to be beloved

Segment 4 – Blue Jays’ Spring Training

* Discussion of sky high expectations
* Bruce says no returning Jays player has played in a game that mattered
* Steve talks about Toronto being world series favorites by odds makers
* Steve says everyone in 1-9 line-up has some question marks to them
* Dave talks about “ifs” surrounding Melkey Cabera
* steve talks about stats put up by PED users returning from suspensions

Thoughts: Good solid first hour. Naylor seemed more to play traffic cop with Arthur and
Simmons in the studio. The bumper music is already much better than what they played on
the old show. Even on TSN, still hearing that stupid Toronto “nearson” commercial.

Hour Two – Co-Host: Bruce Arthur

Segment 1 – Bob McKenzie

* Discussion about NHL players in Sochi Olympics
* Bob mentions role of NHL/NBC relationship in Olympic decision
* Dave mentions how IOC doesn’t want set precedent with NHL for other sports
* Realignment talk and how secretive the NHL/PA are being about it
* Matt Cooke / Eugene Melnyk talk
* Ryan Miller blow-up
* Discussion about “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” about outspoken athletes

Segment 2 – Raptors

* Slam Dunk wins vs playoff wins
* Bruce says Vince Carter’s Slam Dunk win is high water mark of Raptors franchise
* Discussion of NBA Trade Deadline
* Bruce thinks Bargnani won’t be traded
* Discussion of various trade rumors
* Dave thinks “addition by Subtraction” has been in effect with Bargnani
* Future of Colangelo as GM

Segment 3 – Dave Nonis, Maple Leafs GM

* Discussion of Leafs’ first 15 games
* Dave is more optimistic about start than Bruce
* Nonis is happy with 9-6 start to season
* Nonis says they need to see progress from young players and old players
* Bruce asks about small sample size this season to evaluate players
* Nonis says coaching staff has to have smaller leash
* Nonis says Leafs will make deal if opportunity presents itself
* Nonis says Leafs are still looking for veteran goaltender
* Dave asks about Leafs’ new goalie coach
* Nonis says whole coaching staff should be credited
* Nonis talking about importance of Marlies
* Bruce asks if Toronto teams can have a slow rebuild
* Nonis says ownership wants team built “the right way” not quick rebuild
* Nonis talks about improvement of Kadri
* Bruce asks about choosing between young players and veteran players
* Nonis says long-term development is more important than just a 1 year playoff appearance

Segment 4 – “Nailed or Failed”

(coming soon)

Hour Three – Co-Host: Bruce Arthur

Segment 1 – Buster Olney

* Buster discusses the Yankees
* Bruce asks about Buster’s column on Melkey Cabrera
* Buster discusses how players deal with PED admissions and aftermath
* Buster mentions how a veteran player was disgusted with Cabrera’s ASG appearance
* Buster talks about how mediocre Melkey was before PED use
* Bruce asks what Buster sees with the Blue Jays
* Buster is going to pick the Jays to win the division, but any team in East can finish 1-5
* Dave asks about a 2013 pitch count for Stephen Strasburg
* Buster says Nats GM said no pitch limit on him this year
* Buster thinks Nats are deepest team in baseball
* Bruce asks if he really thinks Boston could win the division
* Buster says the team can’t be as miserable as Boston was last year
* Buster says Sox are “Camp Kumbaya” in spring training so far

Segment 2 – Darren Drager

* Dreger is surprised how good Leafs have been so far this season
* Dreger says many power teams in the East have underperformed so far
* Discussion of potential Leafs trade talk
* Dreger has been surprised by Carlyle’s relationship with young players

Segment 3 – Sonny Vaccaro, former Nike executive

* Discussion about young Michael Jordan
* Sonny didn’t meet Jordan until 1984, since UNC was not a Nike school then
* Bruce asks if SOnny had that same special feeling with another player
* Sonny says Kobe and Lebron but Jordan was an endorsement pioneer
* Sonny says Jordan was first athlete to be bigger than sports
* Dave talks about Jordan and the shaved head phenomenon
* Dave asks about NCAA restrictions
* Sonny says NCAA is reprehensible and talks about Ed O’Bannon lawsuit
* Bruce asks what happens if NCAA loses lawsuit
* Sonny asks why the NCAA president gets $2 million a year

Segment 4 – Show wrap up

* Leftover discussion about NCAA hypocrisy (Ohio State, Penn State)
* Danica Patrick wins Daytona 500 pole
* Bruce discusses Patrick’s image and Go Daddy commercials
* Dave hits the wayback machine to bring up Manon Rheaume
* Talk about Oscar Pistorius and developments in the case
* Discussion of Jordan’s image vs Jordan in real life

Notes: Good first show. No yelling, No screaming, No Schtick, No catchphrases. I guess the next question is how Naylor does without Arthur as co-host and the person who seemed to do a lot of the heavy lifting today. Only a few verbal fumbles, probably due to nerves.  Plans are to do show reviews the rest of the week.

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Lance D.
Lance D.
February 18, 2013 7:27 pm

It’s only one show but TSN Drive with Dave Naylor was as I expected – solid. Strong intellectual analysis and quality discussions on sports, plus a couple of good interviews. No wasted time on meaningless chitter chatter or lack of interest/show prep, as is the standard on PTS.

The show is already better than all the Cybulski shows combined that I had the misfortune of hearing.

Provided this continues I will become a regular listener and will finally have no reason to ever go back to PTS-which I have almost stopped listening to anyway.

Really hope this show works out.

Thank you TSN!

February 18, 2013 7:30 pm

I’m fine with fluffy or silly segments, as long as they are funny and dont consume a show.

The two best sports shows ive listened to over the years, kornheiser and lebatard, are full of humor.

mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
February 18, 2013 7:33 pm

awesome Alex. Thanks so much for doing this! I’m off to find the podcasts …

Mike C
Mike C
February 18, 2013 7:37 pm

I agree. Was impressed with the debut of TSN Drive with Dave Naylor. Interesting McCown was “off sick” from PTS with Elliotte Friedman doing a good job of guest hosting. Good options today between 4-7 for sports radio fans. I thought that interview with Bruce Arthur & Naylor and Leafs Senior VP & GM Dave Nonis was very good. Plus Arthur is a much better co host then say John Shannon.

Keep up the good reviews Alex.

February 18, 2013 7:39 pm

Thanks for the review Alex. Wondering who is co-hosting the rest of the week?

February 18, 2013 7:45 pm

Heard and watched some of the 6 o’clock hour on tv, Solid first show but as already stated. lets see how the ratings are in 6 months.. have to get ride of the large stats box on tv tends to be distracting in my opinon..

February 18, 2013 7:47 pm

I didn’t mention the TV hour, because i cant watch it here below the 49th parallel. Maybe they will put clips on the TSN website.

Nan Young Lee
Nan Young Lee
February 18, 2013 7:51 pm

Nice write up. I agree it was a good show. I liked Cybulski, but Naylor has a better ability to drive the show forward with more fluency. There was nice, revealing moment when Naylor mentioned he stayed at a hotel last to night to better avoid distractions while preparing for the debut. The anecdote showed how much the show means to him and was a humanizing touch.

I particularly enjoyed the interview with Sonny Vaccaro and wished it was longer. Vaccaro even said at the end he wanted to keep in touch and be on the show again. I bet Bob was listening and will have Vaccaro on his own show soon. A terrific guest. I’d like to see a documentary on/with Vaccaro.

My one criticism with the show was the like technical hiccups that still plague all 1050 shows. The intro music to Bob McKenzie not working at first, intro music to loud, phones cutting out, etc. You think after 2 years this would be nearly eliminated. I know it’s to expected sometimes, but 1050 has far more of this amateurism than 590. Why hasn’t Rob Gray dealt with this yet? Or why hasn’t someone dealt with Gray yet….

February 18, 2013 8:06 pm

I’d have no faith in TSN 1050 technical competency. Look how long it took them to get regular podcasts and they still screw that up with the reporters podcast every week.

mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
February 18, 2013 8:36 pm

i’ll throw this in here until we have some more appropriate thread: Glenn Ordway was fired from Boston’s WEEI last week. It’s a huge move, basically without precedent.

Basically, he’s the Bob McCown and his show is the PTS of WEEI. WEEI has been the market leader in Boston sports radio for 20 years. 4 years ago a rival station launched and has been chipping away at WEEI’s ratings. The Big Show (Ordway’s show) has been the kingmaker in Boston sports media: tons of people (including people on the rival station) received their starts on WEEI.

The parallels with the situation in Toronto are numerous. Anyway, those interested in reading more about this should just hit the google. It’s a huge story in the US.

Mike S
Mike S
February 18, 2013 9:50 pm

Hey Alex………….I was out of town when the Reporters hour long show was on 1050 (and other TSN radio stations) last Monday night…………I can’t find the podcast anywhere…………do you know if it exists ???

February 18, 2013 10:04 pm

As expected, Naylor isn’t exactly the most entertaining personality. Any interest I have in the show will depend almost entirely on the subjects being discussed. I heard none of the radio show live, and just watched the TV hour of it on PVR. Not being a huge hockey fan, Bob McKenzie was okay, but I quickly tuned out at the start of the Nonis segment and fast forwarded through the rest of it.

Both of the radio shows that had one hour televised nationally on TSN2 today strangely seemed to have purposefully saved Leafs segments for the TV hour, when maybe you would expect them to be more appropriate for the local radio-only other parts of the shows.

As someone who still listens to part of the Mike Richards Show some mornings, though not as much as I might have 10 or 20 years ago, and still finds it to have some small but slowly diminishing entertainment value, I’d have to agree with others that being on TV won’t help anything, except maybe more quickly convince TSN management that they need to make changes. I hope Richards takes the advice of one of his guests last week and doesn’t try to get away with doing one of those segments with him drooling and leering at cheer leaders on TV. That TV promo for his show, with the woman young enough to be his daughter supposedly lustily looking at the doughy middle-aged Richards, is just plain creepy, though maybe intentionally.

Mike S
Mike S
February 18, 2013 10:15 pm

I listened to the Naylor show today and it was pretty much as I expected……………it was a solid show but not overly entertaining mainly because Naylor is intelligent but not overly charismatic…………….having Arthur there for the first show (and Simmons for the first hour) definitely helped…………….it will be interesting to see who the co-hosts are when Arthur is not there

Hayes had a good opportunity to gain a few listeners today because it was a holiday and the underwhelming Roger Lajoie was on 590…………….but Hayes had very few guests and ended up talking for an entire hour (not sure why) about the recent ceremony for the 1963 Leafs………….and in the final hour they ended up replaying (not sure why) an interview with Panthers head coach Kevin Dineen that aired in the noon hour……………Ferraro was a good guest as per usual but the rest of the show was a bit flat

Ami Angelwings
February 19, 2013 8:01 am

I’m going to take this week off, and conveniently Alex is here to provide content. 🙂

February 19, 2013 10:15 am

Only is TSN podcasts the show.

Another Steve
Another Steve
February 19, 2013 10:34 am


“Only is TSN podcasts the show.”


February 19, 2013 2:40 pm

Only if …

Looks like they are on TSN website, if not itunes.

mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
February 19, 2013 8:28 pm

finally got around to listening to it. the show is in iTunes under the generic “TSN podcasts” section. I hope they give it it’s own feed soon. I’d guess people from TSN and Rogers are checking in here to see what the response was to the new show, so here are my thoughts.

totally solid performance by everyone. I skipped the McKenzie segment (just like i skip the Kypreos/McLean/Healy segments on PTS) but other than that i thought Arthur and Simmons and Naylor were great. No dumb jokes, no getting derailed into one-upping each other, no obnoxious interruptions … just solid sports talk on a wide range of topics. This is finally the PTS alternative we have been requesting.

Arthur was excellent, and it is amazing how much better he is when paired with someone at this level. Over the last year I wondered if I had overestimated his actual abilities, but now i remember how good he was on PTS … facts, well thought out opinions, a coherent manner of expression. The problem was that Cyballs’ frat boy shtick drew out the worst in Arthur. Simmons has been excellent on every show on TSN …. for someone who comes across so negatively in print, I’ve been shocked at how reasonable he is on radio.

Naylor mostly stayed out of the way, but interjected as needed. No need to force things now but he will need to carve out some identifiable stances to keep the listener engaged. For example, Bob’s position on fighting in hockey has been a good point of continuity over the years at PTS. Hopefully Naylor can give the audience some insight into his passions and principles.

Looking forward to the future of this show. This definitely raises the bar.

mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
February 19, 2013 8:29 pm

Only is TSN podcasts the show.

my head hurts just trying to read that sentence.

Lance D.
Lance D.
February 19, 2013 8:38 pm

Very well summed up, Mike (In Boston).

February 20, 2013 11:32 am

Seriously, it needs an XML feed. Until they do that, I can’t really give the show a chance…

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