Toronto Sports Media Morning Drive Lineups

By TSM

Here’s your drive lineup for your listening enjoyment this am:

On 590 with Greg Brady and Andrew Walker:

720: Eric Francis
740: Doug Gilmour
820: Louis Jean

On TSN radio with Mike Richards

6:30: Jonas Siegel (In Montreal)

7:00: TSN 2 Simulcast Begins

7:15: Pierre McGuire – NHL on NBC/TSN Hockey Analyst

7:45: Leafs Breakfast w/Darren Dreger and Steve Simmons

8:00: Bastl’s Bytes

8:15 – Jesse Palmer – TSN Football Analyst

8:30: Mike Krushelnyski and Brian Savage – Battle of the Blades (In-Studio)

8:45: Mike Krushelnyski and Brian Savage – Battle of the Blades (In-Studio)

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Kamlesh
Kamlesh
October 1, 2013 2:40 pm

Are Rogers suits trying to build up the reputations of Sportsnet reporters by leaking contract details to them? The Cody Franson contract signing was broken by Kypreos, Chris Johnston had the Kessel deal first, and David Alter tweets:

David Alter‏@DavidAlter590
Kessel breakdown, 10m, 10m, 9m, 9m, 7m, 7m, 6m, 6m. Pay for each year.

Why doesn’t Bell do the same for TSN? Kypreos and Alter couldn’t break a story if their lives depended on it unless it was spoon fed to them. Chris Johnston on the other hand is a superb reporter.

In the book about Rogers, “High Wire Act” author Caroline Van Hasselt writes that Ted Rogers would pick out a different executive for no specific reason and scream at them over the course of a week to get them to be more productive. Perhaps this is still going on and execs are under enormous pressure to bulid up Sportsnet.

SN has a long way to go. TSN’s article on the Kessel signing had over 400 comments while the Sportsnet story have 33.

Another interesting revelation in the book was that the decision to buy the Blue Jays was a money losing disaster. It was referred to as Phil’s Folly (after Phil Lind who talked Ted Rogers into it). Ted Rogers admitted the Jays had lost $300 million as of 2008, plus the $180 million purchase price and the $25 million to upgrade the Skydome. Who knows how much the Jays have lost in the last 4 years, or the present value of those past losses.

Mike V
Mike V
October 1, 2013 4:01 pm

Or the Sportsnet reporters have just been better and faster at nailing down details this month than the ones at TSN .

While Rogers no doubt lost money in the initial seasons, I don’t believe the actual early Blue Jays loses were anywhere near that bad. I think the $300M was just a number Rogers (and especially Godfry) said to gain sympathy and deflect from on-field performance. Or maybe it was an accounting loss created on the books under the Blue Jays section of Rogers for some advantage and the cash loss was much lower.

The team had trimmed salary to under $50M by 2003 and was receiving just under $20M from the FOX/ESPN TV deals, in addition to being eligible for revenue sharing at the time (this has since been changed because Toronto is a large market) and they had some other benefit to partialy offset the currency difference. So before the team actually sold a ticket or took any other revenue that is distributed from the league office (i.e. merchandise), they were less than $30M in the red. And all of this ignores the revenue Sportsnet and FAN590 made off the game broadcasts, which is goes to the media division.

From time to time, Deadspin comes out with articles on this topic. The professional sports owners who are crying poor are often making out like bandits.

mike (in boston)
mike (in boston)
October 1, 2013 6:05 pm

Mike V nails it. Since Rogers is its own customer with respect to TV rights, the Jays naturally don’t get a huge influx of cash from SN. Yet this deal provides Rogers with a ton of valuable content. Once you factor that in, any losses on the Jays side are more than compensated for on the SN side. To look at the Jays’ revenues in isolation is to deal in half-truths.
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Thanks for the quotes from the book Kamlesh. Those are indeed interesting.

As for the relative numbers of commenters on TSN v SN, that’s pretty telling in terms of web traffic. After the amount of money Rogers has spent on acquiring writers (Brunt, Grange, etc.) I have to believe they want more readers on their site.

But it’s still mysterious why people are flocking to TSN.ca. Does anyone here read their content regularly?

Daniel
Daniel
October 1, 2013 8:12 pm

From what I understand, the Jays lost a load of money in the early 2000s, when attendance was terrible, we were at a 60 cent dollar, and Rogers didn’t own the Skydome.

With the dollar at par, the game flush with cash, and all the synergy with Rogers now airing the games on Sportsnet TV and Radio I’d be surprised if they were looked at as any kind of loss.

Sam in Scarb
Sam in Scarb
October 2, 2013 5:06 am

As one wise man once said “A good accounting team can make a 20% profit look like a 30% loss”

Chef Mike in Burlington
October 2, 2013 1:54 pm

For Rogers to cry poor about the Jays is complete and utter bullshit. Never forget that every major league starts off with a 1/30 cut of the TV and merchandise contracts, which ESPN reported as being $90M a team in 2009, and until this year Rogers was nowhere near that , save for 1 year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings091119

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=5063160

They own the building, the team, the radio station, the TV stations, the radio rights, the TV rights, and still get $90M+ a year from MLB before they sell you a soggy slice and a $10 beer. It goes beyond insulting to feed the public this stream of bullshit…

Bob
Bob
October 2, 2013 8:50 pm

In response to Mike( in Boston)
TSN is the only Toronto Site that I go to regularly. As a huge baseball fan (not Jay’s) TSN is the only place in Toronto that I can get balanced coverage. The Jay’s broadcasts are a joke. Routine plays by a Jay’s player suddenly become highlight reel plays, every player is an all-star. Every excuse possible is mentioned injuries, bad umpires, tough division, on and on. Not only that, between innings we are subjected to promos of UFS Thugs beating each other up. Fortunately I do have the Extra Innings Package and MLB Internet Package, So if a team that I’m interested in is playing them , I can choose an alternate feed. The Bush League crap of having PitchTrax up on every pitch is disgusting. I would love to see the Jay’s do well, competition is great. I will tell Jay’s Fans this. As it stands today your team is at least 10 years away from being a WS contender. So no , not all of us drink the SN Kool Aid.

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