Friday Toronto Sports Media Poll: Treatment Of Maple Leafs

Friday Toronto Sports Media Poll: Treatment Of Maple Leafs

By TSM

Happy Friday!

Quick thought occurred to me recently while observing the Paul Beeston fiasco vs. the Maple Leafs annual implosion. Does anyone else feel that the MSM, here in Toronto revels in criticizing the Maple Leafs compared to the other teams in town?

It seems to me, and perhaps it’s the folks who cover, what I will call the secondary teams in town, the Blue Jays and Raptors, that the overall coverage on the Maple Leafs is far more critical then say the Raptors or Blue Jays.

I get the sense those who cover the Jays and the Raptors are, to a certain degree, rooting along with the fans for the teams to succeed. I don’t want to get into who is or isnt’ a HOMER, and I realize I am painting with a broad brush here but it generally feels like with the Jays and Raptors the media wants them to do well.

I do believe that a winning Maple Leafs team would equally benefit the media; so I am not suggesting that there is a theme of negativity to only further audience, but rather even while the team was doing well most of the talk was critical.

The media does a good job bashing the buds. Make no mistake, they deserve it.

It just appears that media defends or “cheers” for the Raptors and Jays a hell of a lot more than they do for the Leafs. ( lets be honest none of the three teams has had very much to celebrate recently so let’s not get into that either).

What say you?

COMMENTS

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    Why the fuck would you put a comma between “I do” and “believe that a winning Maple Leafs…”?

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    WestDale Rocks6 years ago

    Am I reading this correctly?? You’re suggesting the MSM is TOO critical?? In my humble opinion, they’re not nearly as critical as they should be. Look at the worst franchises in the past 30 years in every league and how they get ripped by national media and in some cases, local. Look at what’s happening in New York media with the Mets, Jets and Giants and it hasn’t even been close to 30 years. In Boston, teams aren’t allowed to have bad years. Try being a Sixer in Philly these days. Being a Clipper in LA was hell until the past few years. The Clippers were ignored for 30 years in LA…which is WORSE than being skewered. Now look at Toronto. Except for a decent stretch in the nineties, they’ve been awful for, not 30 years. Try FORTY-FIVE years. And you think the Toronto media is too harsh??? HAHA!

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    No, I don’t mean they are TOO critical I am saying it’s just that there isn’t equal treatment for the teams. I find the media defending the Jays and Raptors very frequently. That rarely happens to the Leafs. Trust me, the leafs deserve the bullets they are getting right now..

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    Steve in Waterloo6 years ago

    I believe they talk about the Leafs, because that has market appeal.
    I heard the morning show discussing that yesterday on the Fan 590.

    Brady or Lang said if we talk too much Raptors, then the Leaf folks get mad. Inference was they would like to talk about others, but it always comes back to people want to hear/talk about the Leafs.

    And, they suck, so it is pretty hard not to be negative.

    When they were good, for that 1 week span over the past decade, while they were coming back against Boston, there was a lot of GOOD spewed by TSM over the airwaves for that short period of time.

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    WestDale Rocks6 years ago

    I think, prior to Ujiri getting hired, the Raps took a lot of deserved broadsides. And nasty broadsides. There was a lot of criticism of the Jays in the Interbrew years. I think people recognize that management is trying to do something. Two years ago, we’d all awarded them the World Series on March 31. This year, they’ve added some good players, so we’ll see. Hard to skewer the Jays when management is actively seeking improvement. With the Leafs, there’s no way to possibly defend them and as you suggest, they deserve the bullets. But personally, I don’t think the criticism has been harsh enough. And probably because those who are in position to deliver it, are employed at Rogers or Bell, part owners of the team. This team needs a complete overhaul and until it’s underway, then the criticism will….deservedly….continue.

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    If the mainstream media in Toronto revels in anything, it’s finding any which way to talk about the Maple Leafs no matter what. And since they’ve been in the midst of another season ending tailspin, there’s nothing else to do but be critical especially considering that they aren’t bad enough to get a great draft pick so the situation is even more hopeless than it appears on the surface.

    I know the instances in which they were good have been few and far between over the last 10-15 years but the pendulum definitely swings in the other direction when they are playing well in terms of media perception.

    You’ve been coming across like one of those very defensive Leafs fans over the last few months, the ones who think excessive criticism of one of the worst franchises in North American sports is too much or the ones that hate it when another team in the city is getting most of the positive coverage like the Raptors currently are.

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    You’re right TSM. But I can explain it. With the Jays and Raptors, the media who cover need these teams around to have jobs. If they write negatively too long, they could chase away fans. Sure, maybe the teams don’t leave the city any time soon. But maybe the media management decides to cut back coverage. There can be an effect.

    With the Leafs, media can be as honest as they want to be. The team, and coverage, isn’t going anywhere.

    Is there another type of media coverage out there….non sports….where the tone of coverage could affect your job?

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    Well, SOME Leafs are bashed (Kessel, Gardiner, Phaneuf) but Clarkson’s awfulness goes generally undetected

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    oshawaguy6 years ago

    I also heard the segment with Brady and Walker the other morning about how much time they devote to various sports on their show. I don’t think it’s just their show – it’s any show on both stations (590 and 1050) and all the papers now. The major problem is they’re completely out of ways to talk about how bad the Leafs are right now. Since that’s what the majority want to read/hear no matter what, they have to try to discuss the Leafs in a new way or from a different angle – think all the Corsi and hockey analytics talk this year. I believe the entire TO sports media is trapped right now in a cycle of: Leafs stink (blow it up or don’t), Raptors are headed to the playoffs (but how far will they go?), wait and see on the Jays, TFC remain hopeless until they prove otherwise on the field and the Argos need a new home to be relevant again to casual fans. This is why I think the shows and writing around the city have been stale for at least a year now. We know the angles, we know the players and until someone gets traded or fired, there isn’t much anyone can write or say that hasn’t been explored to death. That has to make it tough for any show or writer to put out good content right now. It won’t change until there’s a big trade, firing or a big story from another sport (tennis, golf, etc.) Then they’ll get to write or talk about something different.

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    Markhamite6 years ago

    funny you say that bc imo raptors/jays are more sensitive to criticism and respond in kind unlike leafs who seem impervious to outside opinion

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    Couple of points, of course there isn’t equal criticism, because there isn’t equal coverage.
    Second, the Jays and Raps are considered, for the most part, our national team(s). National media is mostly only critical of politics.
    The Leafs raise the ire of their local media a little easier, because most of the scribes and voices are not either a) fans b) from Toronto. They have other allegiances.

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    TSM,

    About a month ago when the Raptors were way out in front of their division in an 82 game season, with literally no probability of missing Playoffs you were very critical of the media, suggesting that it was ridiculous to be talking about the playoffs. You then referenced the Jays in season slip back after an early division lead, which I thought was apples to oranges, given the fact that a raptor season is only half as long as the jays, which gives the opposition 50% less of a chance to make up ground.
    Raptors are now 13 games in front of their lousy division, do you still think it’s premature to be talking playoff? I’m not sure what it is you have against the Raps, but first your criticizing media for talking playoffs, although mathematically Raptors would have to have had one of the most historic collapses in sports to miss the playoff at that point and even more so now. Now your beating on the media for loving on these guys when these guys are the most exciting part of our sports landscape in Toronto right now. You could be talking that lousy NHL deal Rogers cut with the NHL, You could be talking the leafs failures to draft well, you could be talking TFC years of being an unstable organization or the jays failures to close the deal on a starter and a closer, but you choose to beat on the Raptors or you want the media to beat on the raptors. Raptors are the only Toronto team that made the playoff last year and in a long time, and had the chance to advance after game 7 but was robbed of the opportunity. I take it that you didn’t see the obvious foul by Deron Williams in game 7 which should have ousted him, the foul was given to Kevin Garnett . Ultimately Deron shot the free throws that iced the game. Quite obviously the NBA loves an all U.S match up in later rounds, especially in this case given the storylines that Brooklyn and Miami would generate from their playoff a year earlier. I say this to say Raps deserve way more credit than you are willing to give them. I not sure why you want the media to downplay these guys. The Raps are just blue collar, compare that to the leafs who play like they have a sense of entitlement and have engaged in all sorts of controversy this year, from disrespecting the lifers that come to the arena to disrespecting the media and the coach. TSM what is with the raptor hate? Despite the recent slide of the raptors which is clearly behind them now, what is with the hate? Why is it that none of your post positively focus on the raps? as they deserve it. The raps are the most successful team in this city in terms of team structure in many many years love or leave it. Media and fans need to get behind this team as they get behind their fans.

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    I think you’ve written this before – don’t get it! There’s probably more some heat on the Leafs, because there’s more coverage/scrutiny in general, but I hear plenty of negativity on the Jays and Raps when things are bad.

    You mention Beeston as an example of the media going soft on the Jays I guess? But I think every outlet pretty much labelled that a fiasco. Including McCown/Shannon.

    I’m not sure we’re in a time where the Leafs own the town and the Raptors and Jays are in a separate, secondary category anymore really.

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    A few things. The only person/people talking about Paul Beeston is Bobcat and a bunch of baseball media. Nobody in Toronto cares about this story of a guy who is irrelevant. The fact that bobcat is constantly talking about this shows his loyalty to his friend, his constant need to talk baseball in a city that doesnt really care in January, and his disconnect from the toronto sports scene.

    TSM’s lack of Raptors love shows the bias in the media against basketball. They dont watch it so they try not to discuss it.

    The raptors are the only team worth talking about.

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    dogpounder6 years ago

    So when Rogers reporters criticize the leafs, it’s mean.

    When Rogers reporters praise Jays, they’re shilling.

    It’s all clear now.

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    Steve Jones6 years ago

    I’m not sure the other teams have escaped tough scrutiny Mike. Brian Colangelo was run out of town and his successor is hailed as a hero. Funny thing is Colangelo built the team and Masi made one, albeit important change. But that want even intended to make the team better just shed salary. So I do think the other teams get their fair share.

    The fact the leafs seem to be more heavily scrutinized is because they get way more coverage to start. It’s all about volume. Secondly I think it’s natural everyone, reporters included to be a bit more harsh when you have become the local joke. I don’t need to say hockey rules in this town it’s a given. So when you have 50 years of futility broken up with a couple of small runs its natural for people to get down on the product. Most of the populace of Florida doesn’t know hockey exists and yet they have two teams that are better and have better prospects than the so called Mecca of hockey. It’s kind of sad when you think about it.

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    The value of the leafs and the prices it charges, gives way to the media to heavily scrutinize this team. for years invvestors/owners have been able to heavily monetize everything about this team, yet the other investors called the fans yeild no return.The leafs love the publicity they get every year in forbes magazine as one of the richest teams in pro sports(certainly in hockey), they love that there is a waiting list for season tickets, they love the corporate contributions, so they should therefore be extreamly tollerant off all the scrunity that comes with a extreamly wealthy oganization that has not built a winning sports team in over 40 years. TSM are fans and media overly critical although it’s been decades worth of a drought and mediocrity.

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    Leafs are worth the most money. They charge the most money. They make the most money. They deliver the worst performance. They deserve and get the most vitriol. Raptors almost magically turned things around with a new GM and a single trade – this after a decade of irrelevance. The Raptors were so incredibly bad for so long in a hockey market, there wasn’t really anything to complain about because nobody wanted to hear it. Do one segment a day on Bargnani and listeners probably bailed to another station, myself included.

    Hasn’t just been McCown complaining about Rogers ( though he was the most frank and loud about it, to his credit ). Steve Simmons and Dave Hodge have weighed in numerous times at how badly Beeston was treated. Can’t recall Brady and Walker really complaining about it but Jeff Blair sure did.

    Sidenote: At time of Bell/Rogers majority purchase of MLSE, Leafs were worth 1 B, Raptors 400 million. 4 years later Leafs are worth 1.3 B and Raptors 920 Million.(according to Forbes)

    So Leafs were valued at 2.5 x Raptors value and that has dropped to 1.4 x Raptors value. At this rate, Raptors will surpass the Leafs in value in 2 years. (Raptors would be at 1.6 Billion and Leafs at 1.55 Billion). Bell/Rogers 75% of the above combined increases in value would be 307.5 million each, or approximately a 50% increase in their respective 650 million investments. Who needs that piddling playoff money anyway?

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    You guys are missing the point. TSM isn’t saying the Leafs shouldn’t be bashed. He’s saying that with the Leafs you can see the how harsh the MSM cab get. It makes you wonder why they don’t go after the Jays in the same manner. And notice how the media has been all over the Beeston story. They never go after the Jays for the on field product. They’re literally losing because they’re too cheap.

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    dogpounder6 years ago

    Top 10 payroll = too cheap.

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    Too Much6 years ago

    There may be a lot of critical opinion out there on the Leafs but I’m not sure there is a lot of critical analysis. Big difference.
    Mike in Boston, where are you, missing your Saturday column!

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    MIB said no column this weekend. Listening to the Raptors on 590 games over and they have to hurry over to Leafs talk, grrrr. At least reading the Globe article on Rogers NHL deal made me happy http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/rogers-plays-blame-game-over-lower-ratings-for-nhl-games/article22731502/?service=mobile

    Jays should have a top 5 payroll when they go for it considering the TV ratings they draw and market size. San Fran is 5th right now with over $40 million more in 2015 salary.

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    Lee (Oakvile)6 years ago

    Excellent article by Shoalts on Rogers’ ratings woes. This NHL issue for Rogers could become the business sports story of the year if it doesn’t turn around quickly.

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    Jays payroll isn’t just about where you rank. It’s about whether you’re intending to compete. And by all accounts they wanted to compete while Bautista was here. So no matter how much you’re spending, if you need an upgrade at a position, you throw money at the problem. That’s how baseball works. And it’s what was expected of the Leafs when the NHL had no cap.

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    I avoid the Toronto media for the most part, though a few like Mirtle at least stay away from the personal bashing of players and point out the obvious flaws management and the organization itself. I’ve never seen a reporter corner Nonis, much less chase him through the locker-room, while asking him tough questions–but I’d sure love to see it.

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    I 100% couldn’t agree more with this post!

    I feel the Toronto media takes pride in dismantling the Leafs in any which way they can. It has been that way as long as I can remember. I have lost all trust in any Toronto media’s coverage of the Raptors or Jays because, yes, it seems its a bunch of homers who are supposed to be critical. You will often hear media refer to the Jays and Raptors as “we” when that would NEVER use “we” to refer to the Leafs.

    Am I the only one who seems to notice that the Jays have NOT made the playoffs in over 20 years? Do they not deserve the same constant bashing that the Leafs deserve annually? Payroll is why they haven’t won? Well Rogers is worth more than the whole AL East combined. Payroll should not be an excuse.

    With the Raptors, the media doesn’t bash or try to dismantle the team, the mainstream ignores them. Kind of like the deserved treatment TFC is receiving now.

    I think many of you are missing the point here, Mike in Boston is not bashing the Jays or the Raptors, he is just making the observation that the Toronto media is simply not equal in their treatment of the three sports teams. I think if you are in tune with Toronto sports media and you’re not recognizing this implicit tone, I think you need to begin listening a little closer to the messages and how they’re being communicated. It doesn’t take much to notice it!

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    Daz667786 years ago

    Couldn’t agree more with both AP and Rob. Many of these Toronto based media guys continually take shots at Leaf’s in their tweets and columns even while covering other sports. Never hear the continuous treatment of Jays or Raptors despite their dismal records of 22 years since Jays have won anything and Raptors who have never come close to anything.