Sportsnet’s Don Cherry Attacks Immigrants on CBC

Sportsnet’s Don Cherry Attacks Immigrants on CBC

by mike in boston / @mikeinbostonemail

 

Don Cherry took to the national airwaves Saturday night to call out immigrants for failing to wear poppies honouring war veterans. The discussion came at the end of his Coach’s Corner segment on Hockey Night in Canada, which is broadcast on CBC with Rogers owned Sportsnet collecting the advertising revenue. This arrangement is part of the $5.2 billion dollar deal that gave Sportsnet exclusive rights to national NHL broadcasts in Canada. The video was initially posted to Sportsnet’s website and social media channels but has since been removed. The segment can be seen via this CP story on CBC which includes the video.

 

“I live in Mississauga, nobody … very few people … wear a poppy. Downtown Toronto, forget it, nobody wears a poppy … Now you go to the small cities … And the rows on rows … you people who come here, you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey, at least you can pay a couple bucks for a poppy or something like that. These guys paid for your way of life that you enjoy in Canada, these guys paid the biggest price … Anyhow, I’m going to run [a video segment about veterans] for you people and good Canadians that bought a poppy.”

 

The speech clearly contrasts “new” Canadians with “good” Canadians, and is for that reason rightly being denounced as racist. A message encouraging all Canadians to be good Canadians by honouring war veterans would not have raised any such concerns. Ron MacLean ended the segment by saying “we love you for it” and giving a thumbs up.

 

There has been no comment by Sportsnet PR on why the video was removed. Sportsnet recently launched the tagline “United By Sport” to advertise their various offerings. At this time no one from Sportsnet’s vast stable of hockey personalities has publicly denounced Cherry’s remarks. It’s worth noting that none of TSN’s major hockey voices have commented either. Title sponsor Budweiser Canada has also been silent thus far.

 

 

We are attempting to reach Sportsnet management for comment. Story will be updated as new information becomes available.

 

Update: 11:20am on Sunday November 10th, 2019. Sportsnet issued the following statement via twitter:

 

 

Update: 6:30pm on Sunday November 10th 2019. Ron MacLean opened Rogers Hometown Hockey with this statement:

 

 

Update: as of 3:06pm on November 11, 2019 Don Cherry is no longer with Sportsnet:

 

 

On Saturday November 16th 2019 Ron MacLean addressed the end of Coach’s Corner (multiple unskippable ads)

 

 

Jeff Blair addressed the decision to fire Don Cherry on FAN590:

 

 

TSN also addressed it during their supper hour television broadcast:

 

 

On the radio side, TSN1050’s Overdrive spent a segment at the top decrying what you can’t say in “this day and age” and how social media and pressure from sponsors was probably behind this decision. None of the hosts actually cited the comments or spoke about how Cherry targeted immigrants who are visible minorities. Jeff O’Neil was especially dismissive of the merits of the decision, suggesting that perhaps Cherry wanted to get fired. Bryan Hayes several times noted that this is a business decision by Sportsnet. McLennan several times called the comments unfortunate. Here is the full audio:

 

 

Tim & Sid also devoted significant time to the topic, including reading the comments for which Cherry was fired. Seixeiro was especially worked up about how Don Cherry didn’t think about how his comments would affect his colleagues at Sportsnet. “He’s an awful teammate.” Micallef provided some very nuanced thoughts on how difficult it was to watch this situation unfold without knowing whether an apology would be forthcoming. Parts 1 and 2 of that discussion are below:

 

 

 

Jonah appeared on CTV to discuss the aftermath of the firing. He and Steve McAllister also sat down for a podcast:

 

 

Here are some notable tweets from Toronto media:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And here are some notable articles that have trickled out since the incident:

 

  • Bruce Arthur of The Star: “But whenever it ends it will be a cultural battleground, a proxy war over Canada, and a part of it should be this: People often say hockey, and Canada, is for everyone. But the doddering old high priest of hockey keeps saying that isn’t true.”

 

  • Simon Houpt of Globe (not sports): “Is it possible that Yabsley, who was appointed Sportsnet president only last March, hadn’t been read in on the Cherry file? Or that he’d always found something else to do on Saturday nights during the past 39 years, and somehow had just never caught Cherry on Coach’s Corner? Because how else could he be shocked! shocked! to find that Cherry might say something hateful? Cherry’s offensiveness – and not just in his wardrobe choices – is the primary pillar of his brand.

 

  • Sunaya Sapurji of The Athletic: “There is no question Cherry is a Canadian icon. An icon of Canada’s past. A relic from an old game that no longer exists. We don’t need a TV arbiter to tell us who the “good Canadians” are — we never did.”

 

  • Gregory Strong of Canadian Press: “The network may choose to recognize the massive impact Cherry had as a commentator, but it would be tricky to balance that with his rather ignominious exit. A career overview could buy some time since the seat might be a little too hot for an immediate replacement.”

 


 

thanks for reading and commenting,

until next time …

mike (not really in boston)

COMMENTS

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    At this point I have to guess that Sportsnet checks only to see if Budweiser, Huawei care or not, and if they don’t care then they brush it off as another “crazy racist uncle” incident and hope it blows over in a few days. I highly doubt those organisations care.

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    You’d think by now at least he would err on the side of caution when speaking but he feels compelled to speak from his throne. They won’t fire him but they will ‘fire’ him by not renewing his contract and dethroning him. 

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    What in the world is so offensive about what he said? He has an opinion as valid as any one else – It sure doesn’t take much to make the Don Cherry haters heads go ‘BOOM!’ –

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    Sick Of The Outrage 1 month ago

    Sick and tired of the constant outrage. Twitter has ruined society. A bunch of people complain on Twitter, then the media reports as “mass outrage”. What is so offensive about what he said? We have free speech in Canada (for now) and he is making an observation of what he sees. Not everybody has to agree.

    Even worse is how even the writer of this article, feels the need to call out how different people or organizations have “yet to comment”. Why should the entire world be expected to comment?

    Everybody needs to get a grip, not everyone has to agree, but everyone has the right to speak their mind.

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    Everybody wants to fry Don Cherry but can you say what he said is not true. I walked the streets of Nanaimo and Duncan British Columbia this weekend and it was amazing how many people no matter what nationality or colour we’re not wearing poppies so people wake the freak up oh, you may not agree with cherry but what he says is true every time. You bleeding hearts are the disgrace of the nation for not waking up to the truth

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    And then even Ron Maclean throws down under the bus hello

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    Chickensh!t Maclean waits to see which way the wind blows and

    then after giving him a thumbs up on air stabs Don Cherry in the back – Spineless dirtbag for letting Cherry down like that – Maclean should be outrighted and Cherry should never go on air with that weasel ever again –

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    Even worse is how even the writer of this article, feels the need to call out how different people or organizations have “yet to comment”. Why should the entire world be expected to comment?

    Because the writer and many on this blog have had it out for Cherry for years and this is yet another reason for them to descend like locusts onto the situation. At this point, after all that’s been said anything more posted by anyone is virtue signaling at best and it’s something that many on a certain side of the isle demand. I’m still waiting for the demands and eventually tweet form Trudeau talking about how is a black eye for Canadians and apologizing for all.

    Chickensh!t Maclean waits to see which way the wind blows and

    then after giving him a thumbs up on air stabs Don Cherry in the back – Spineless dirtbag for letting Cherry down like that – Maclean should be outrighted and Cherry should never go on air with that weasel ever again –

    Given his position right now and how he lost his job before I’m not shocked Ron bent the knee on this one probably sacred that the outrage would, and did, come to him and give NHL a reason for him to be taken off HNIC again.

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    Drumanchor 4 weeks ago

    My goodness, what divisive responses. 

    Personally, I do not like the glorification of the military. It’s over-the-top and, to me, that’s dangerous. That being said, I buy a poppy and I’m even a member of our local Legion.

    As for Cherry, he is an icon – for good and bad reasons – but he is also an ex coach who never won anything who somehow thinks his opinions on matters not hockey related should be relevant. However, mocking homosexuals, trashing French Canadian and European players and then saying, “YOU people” is inexcusable. That shouldn’t be the Canada that he claims to support and love so much. 

    That type of rhetoric is what made Canadians want to fight in wars to begin with. 

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    Original Mitch 4 weeks ago

    This so classic, it is enjoyable. People now watch Don JUST to get triggered so they can go on twitter and proclaim their self-righteousness by denouncing what the old man said in a brave effort to show the world that they won’t tolerate this in their pathetic attempt at being social justice warriors. All these media members condemning him, while actually being excited at the opportunity to show off their SJW skills! Ohhhh, I can’t wait to hear what Ken Campbell has to say about Cherry said NO ONE EVER.

    To me personally, I lost all respect for Ron Maclean when sportsnet fired him for George but then forced him to sit there at a press conference with the rest of the cast and claim how happy he was with the situation. Despite his being iconic, the man clearly has no backbone and is nothing but a puppet. He could have told sportsnet to F-off and would have immediately been hired by tsn, ctv or cbc in a different capacity. But no, he took it on the chin all the while smiling goofily and acting like a genuine chump. The same goes for Coach’s corner. Letting Don say what he wants without ever challenging him shows a complete lack of spine and ultimately I now think Maclean isn’t a very smart person. He’s just a dumb broadcaster who knows puck and nothing else, no matter how much he waxes poetically at small town Canadiana.
    Don’t fire Cherry. Fire Maclean and get someone not afraid to call out Cherry. Enough with the lap dog Maclean.

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    If Don had not prefaced it with ‘You people come here..’ it just would have been chalked up as another ‘Old man yelling at clouds’ rant. Now, I’m sure most of us have heard versions of this opinion many timmes over the years whether at home, at work, amongest friends, not necessarily about poppies, but in general regarding immigration. The problem is he was on National television and you can’t spout of racist and xenophobic comments with no consequence anymore. And Cherry never apologizes for anything, so I suspect the end is near.

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    Steve in Waterloo 4 weeks ago

    Warming to see some balanced commentary in the comments. The outrage is just so over the top. The shamers and the erase culture of our society have gotten ridiculous.

    Says a white guy.

    Cherry should have never said that, as he should have never said a lot of things. Thing is, most people have learned to ignore him.
    I am pretty confident that immigrants to this fine land have more strength of character, will and social awareness to not let an old white guy rant bother them. I am betting most would have never heard it,or given it a bit of thought – until the shamers outcry.

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    I can’t stand this news story. Don Cherry’s words have been grossly misrepresented, mostly by an outraged twitter mob who hated him to begin with and has always eager to pounce on him. Let me briefly explain.

    Cherry chose his words poorly to be sure, but he does that on a weekly basis. If you actually take the time to parse what he said, his sentiment was as follows: new Canadians should adopt our tradition of wearing a poppy and supporting our veterans. What’s wrong with that? That’s hardly a crime. In fact, I think it’s admirable to encourage all people, no matter who they are, to commemorate Remembrance Day. That’s all Cherry was aiming at here. The phrase “you people” seems to have everyone up in arms, and although it was a definite mistake to use that terminology, his overall sentiment was just fine.

    Rather than piling on an 85 year old man, this country should be celebrating him for all the work he’s done with veterans over the decades. Seriously: has any public figure done more to bring attention to our troops than Cherry? The many trips overseas, the countless charity events, the awareness campaigns on the most-watched platform in this country; and not to mention, individually taking the time to honour and highlight each soldier who perished in Afghanistan during our mission there. He’s done more in this arena than almost anyone.

    I find this piling on to be absolutely grotesque and disheartening. Don Cherry is a national hero for the work he’s done with the troops.

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    LOL! These comments… Put me in the spineless bleeding heart, snowflake, camp then. If you can’t figure out what is offensive about Cherry’s rant (IN 2019!) then I don’t know what to say to you, boomer. This ain’t 1959. I see a lot of born and bread McWhitersons not wearing poppies, but clearly Don is not referring to them is he…? (Mississauga, Torornto…) I wouldn’t be surprised to see Don wearing a “Make Canada Great Again” hat next Saturday night.

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    I think hockey cultivates a nationalist, old guard identity in the way it’s covered and in the way it’s promoted in this country. As someone who grew up in small town Canada, I’ve always been turned off by the culture surrounding hockey and the Canadian jingoism that gets tied in with it. How else could the country’s flagship hockey program give free reign to a guy like Don Cherry to talk about whatever he wants even if it has nothing to do with sports? The culture of hockey has been inherently conservative and non inclusive (at least that’s how it seems to me). Because of this attitude, as the demographics of the country continue to shift, I think we’ll see the importance of hockey wane. I think we’re already seeing that in the 416 to some degree, where the Leafs don’t seem to stand head and shoulders over the other franchises like they used to.

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    It’s all moot now – word is coming out that Cherry has been fired.

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    Don Cherry has been saying dumb fuck stuff for years and years, and not just about immigrants, remember those “pukes” comments about Stu Grimson et al? Remember how that ended?

    He’s 85, and he ain’t changin’, so Sportsnet really didn’t have a choice this time, but I really don’t give a shit one way or the other, I stopped watching hockey years ago…

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    Bingo Bango Bongo 4 weeks ago

    Cherry had to go and it looks like Sportsnet finally realized that this time the story wouldn’t go away. There are a few things to address. First, he has a history. We’ve known for years where Don Cherry stands on immigration, the “real” Canada, and his steadfast refusal to learn how to pronounce names of “foreigners”. Nothing new there, except in the age of social media big corporations like Rogers have to be politically aware. That’s not the same as politically correct. Bob Dylan said you don’t have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing. It’s not a free speech issue either. No one has said he can’t have or speak those views. He just can’t say it on national television. And as for this new phenomenon of insulting people by calling them “boomer”? I would say something that I’m sure would not be allowed by whomever is monitoring the site. I can say this: not every boomer is an idiot. And another thing. It’s okay to disagree,

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    So Cherry a great Canadian has has been fired for speaking his mind – Disgraceful – Did they retain the services of that ratbag spineless two faced weasel Ron Maclean? A sad day for Canada on such an important day for Canada –

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    Reading a lot of the comments in here confirms to me the exact type of user this site attracts…

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    I just come here to say this. The comments seem to indicate this site skews old, white and irrelevant. Just like Don Cherry.

    Don’t worry though, the young people aren’t watching HNIC or hockey anyway….

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    How does Don Cherry know who is a citizen born in Canada and who isn’t by simply walking down the street?

    We all know the answer. You know the answer. “You people” know it.

    If you don’t want to acknowledge this for whatever reason, okay, but if you think this about wearing poppies you are missing the point of people’s outrage.

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    Listened to the Writers Bloc “Roundtable” discuss this.

    If ever there was proof that a McCown led Roundtable is missed; today provided it. Minor league commentary at best and before that Blair taking the lead with Deitsch in the first hour. Deitsch is fine but Blair cannot come close to providing the insights that Bob delivered.

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    Unofficial reading of the quickly turning heat on this – like it or not, Don Cherry will turn this around. Not saying he gets his job back because he will not, but he will be back. I’m thinking round one of the playoffs. More detail later. 

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    The sport of hockey is losing it’s relevance in this country, much like Cherry has for at least a decade now.  I have two young boys in what is a predominantly white school, and even in that environment, Basketball occupies 90%+ of the attention of boys aged 7 to 14. It’s not even close!!!  Imagine what it’s like in more diverse schools.  Hockey needs to rid itself of the old white guard that’s presided over the sport for so long.  It’s not the 50s or 60s anymore.  It will continue to die a slow death if those at the helm don’t figure out a way to reach the kids of “You People” that old racist blowhard was talking about. 

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    Let the search for a female and/or person of colour to be his replacement commence.

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    Have you heard anything about Ron MacLean also getting dumped by Rogers Sportsnet?

    Or NBC firing NHL coordinating producer Sam Flood and lead NHL director (and also “NFL Sunday nNight Football” director) Drew Esocoff because they supposedly backed Cherry?

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    Have you heard anything about Ron MacLean also getting dumped by Rogers Sportsnet?

    Or NBC firing NHL coordinating producer Sam Flood and lead NHL director (and also “NFL Sunday Night Football” director) Drew Esocoff because they supposedly backed Cherry?

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    Gary M 4 weeks ago

    Yaz, I think there is no chance of that. Cherry era is over. Economics rule.

    Jamally, humans have a great tendency to become the thing they’re criticizing. Progressives run the show now for sure and that’s great, but with power comes responsibility and they’d be wise to pump the breaks on this generic slamming of whites. Trump and Ford are 2 of the tamer examples of how that goes.

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    Anthony 4 weeks ago

    This site use to be awesome….commentors use to be awesome…what a shame

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    “The generic slamming of whites”

    ………….

    Between this comment section and the Athletic’s on anything Cherry related, seems like this issue is exposing some people’s very dated, racist views on a number of topics. I expected better from both sites, though I don’t know why.

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    Also, “be careful of criticizing whites, lest you want them to become racist” is one hell of a view point.

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    Bingo Bango Bongo 4 weeks ago

    @CKCU You can take whatever observations you want from the comments on this site and The Athletic. I find it hard to believe you are so naive as to think some of the responses are revelatory. Of course there are Neanderthals. The hope is there won’t be as many going forward, but it’s only a hope. 

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    Zero comments deleted so far from this thread. I’m really happy about that. Please continue to disagree with each other, attack positions you think are wrong, and criticize the hell out of me as required. This is an important national conversation and there’s lots of other places to go if insulting people is your preferred mode of interaction.

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    stephen marks 4 weeks ago

    Wow, there is a guy on Youtube posting a clip of some of Ron MacLean’s shitty puns he intended to put in his apologie speech yesterday. I guess Ron decided to do it straight and left these out:

    “What Don forgot was the bravery and courage of many immigrants who fought in the cold and frozen conditions of Germany. You’d think Don would be the last guy to forget about so many men on the ice”

    “Please don’t misrepresent this as me throwing Don under the proverbial yellow bus…..it’s just me acknowledging being schooled”

    “People are comparing this to Dave Hodge’s comment using a pen flip……that’s because Don’s actions can never be erased”

    “Don said a poppy should be worn proudly on your lapel while he was getting hot under the collar”

    “It’s been said of World War Two “there has never been a higher price paid for rights”……until Roger’s signed that contract with the NHL”

    “Look, there is no way out for Don……..the coach is cornered”

    “It’s almost appropriate that I’m doing this from Wellend……because this won’t end well”

    “People are upset about my behavior during Don’s rant……they think my nodding came from a red neck”

    “Don will never come clean about this……he’ll refuse to Singh”

    “Don was once an institution…..now he belongs in one”

    “Don loves the military but this time he was like an officer getting lost driving to Trenton….he was way off base”

    “Look I still love Don and I don’t want anybody to take easy shots at him…….right now Cherry is low hanging fruit”|

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    Johnj 4 weeks ago

    Individuals on this site condemn Cherry’s racist assumptions that immigrants don’t were poppys and then retaliate with the racist assumption that anyone who supports Cherry on this site is an old white man. Way to be progressive libtards.

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    I’m disappointed with Mike in Boston. I’m a bleeding heart liberal and agree that Cherry had to go, but to act like 20 year old, criticizing anyone in the media that doesn’t have an opinion, or an opinion he doesn’t like on the matter, is a bit much. Grow up Mike!

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    John beach 4 weeks ago

    Ron Maclean’s legacy has been destroyed

    He will go into history as a gutless second banana who leeched off Cherry’s success for an entire career and then threw him under the bus 

    Shame on you Ron !!!!

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    Poker Guy 4 weeks ago

    I believe that if Don Cherry could take back two words of his commentary on Saturday, they would be “YOU PEOPLE”

    I have no doubt that Don Cherry loves this country, that his heart goes out to the veterans who served, and gave their lives to keep Canada free.

    Conversely, a poppy need not only be worn in and around November, it can be worn all year round. However, that’s another topic for another day.

    I think he is just so frustrated by seeing the lack of support, or lack of poppies being worn. He should said something like, “All people in this country…” However, he dug in deeper with the “milk and honey” comment, and I think by then, his fate had been sealed.

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    Original Mitch 4 weeks ago

    As usual, Sportsnet has made of mess of its handling of the situation.

    Firing Don was the easy thing to do. Of course though, Rogers only reacted to the outcry and not actually take initiative in the matter. Whoever runs that joint knew exactly who Don is when he praised him this summer, but instead of backing his employee, he succumbs to public pressure. Not to mention I am sure they love getting his salary off the books. IMO, the proper way to have handled this was to promote a discussion on the matter in next week’s Coach’s Corner, where Don has an opportunity to clarify his words and puppet Ron can also apologize and the two can have an honest discussion. Maybe even bring in a third person, someone in the know to educate us. But of course, that would take forward thinking and that is not Sportsnet’s way.

    However, they went with the firing route, which is fine. But if Sportsnet truly believed in their “conviction” they would have fired Ron, plain and simple. Being complicit is being guilty and that would have shown that Sportsnet is serious about this issue. But nope, Ron issues an “apology” well after the fact because he has to save face and Sportsnet continues to act like Ron had nothing to do with this.
    Talk about a gutless corporation taking the easy way out. Pathetic

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    Original Mitch 4 weeks ago

    Also, Sid making it about Sid lol

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    The chorus of cackling castrati that is the Toronto sports media–who know not shame–sing sourly and blindly from the corporate playbook about saccharine righteousness, truth being the casualty. From on high they tell us what is right and what is wrong, in their absurd cherry-picking (oh, the irony!) way, dutifully ignoring the point of Don’s comments.

    Questions for the media:

    Question: Why no mention that in fact there were many, many, people not wearing a poppy?

    Question: Why no mention that in fact Don Cherry has said “you people” at least a hundred times over his 38 years on Coaches Corner?

    Question: To reiterate, was Cherry correct or not about the lack of poppy wearers or does the Trudeau $600 million media ownership purchase prevent you from answering truthfully?

    If these simple questions make you uncomfortable I will consider providing a teddy bear and small hot chocolate to all the offended, upon request. Mini marshmallows extra!

    There is only one thing missing from this ungodly charade and that is a torch and a town for you to parade through in the dark of night, cloaked in your willful ignorance, calling for the latest truth-teller to be banished to the Moors. And by the way, don’t be too surprised when they come for you, too. Because useful idiots are just that. You have a best before date and only the real purveyors of hate hold the date stamp.

    What is next, brave media, your singing the praises of HNIC sponsor Wa- Whey?

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    @Gary M  Different reasons, but a lot of what Cherry is saying sounds like Howard Stern when he left terrestrial radio. Don has other outlets. Like him or not, he objectively has a massive following in Canada. TikTok, Periscope, Youtube, Sirius – he could do an intermission show on any of those. Who is going to watch Kelly Hrudey’s first
    intermission empty-headed banter with David Amber and Ron Maclean when Cherry is talking somewhere else? Same prestige as CBC HNIC? No. But not only would he be earning income while being largely uncensored, he would really deflate whatever air Sportsnet has left in its ‘brand.’  (Please, no Mike Richards to Youtube comparisons because it is not a comparable) 

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    Gary M 4 weeks ago

    “Also, “be careful of criticizing whites, lest you want them to become racist” is one hell of a view point.”

    CKCU, I don’t understand your position on this. If you generically slam any group of people based on skin colour, it’s a form of prejudice. And we know institutionalized prejudice has severe social consequences. As we have now transitioned into a majority liberal society on both sides of the border (which is cool, I’m liberal), and this liberal orthodoxy has it that you can’t say racist things except towards whites, and a significant amount of the hinterland white population is now in kind of dicey economic straits and disconnected from the coastal power structures of media and finance, you have the very basic recipe for dangerous nationalist movements.

    So yes, including whites in protection from racism to me seems to be not only wise but a basic liberal principle. For example, there should be consequences for a panelist on The Social singling out “white boys” yesterday. Otherwise our institutions are putting out a very alienating signal.

    Mike From Boston, your allowing me to get these points out is greatly appreciated.

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    Gary M 4 weeks ago

    stephen marks, those are incredibly well written. They nailed Maclean’s cadence, especially the Welland one.

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    Gary M – what exactly did the gal on the social say? I’ve been searching twitter and youtube and can’t find the exact clip. Just summaries that she painted all hockey players as “rich white boy bullies” or something to that effect. If it’s even remotely close to that then it’s a very bad and very much a take from someone who porbably is not a sports fan in any way or form to begin with.

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    There seems to be a distinct lack of facts and a lot of tin foil hats in this comment section, so let’s go over what is undeniably true:

    Cherry did not have to make those remarks. He made a conscious decision to do it. All these people saying, “well, what he meant to say was this” or, “what he could’ve said was that” doesn’t matter. He said what he said and he came out on the record as saying he knows what he said and he meant it. He was given opportunity to apologize and he refused.
    Everyone seems to be ducking their heads over a number of hard facts here. What data was Don using to substantiate his “no one buys poppies” claim? He read it in an article? He verify that? Of course not. He said it and people accept it as truth because they want to. They want to demonize others. Also, EVERYONE defending Cherry has ducked this very obvious point: how does Cherry know who’s an immigrant and who isn’t? Was he asking them, or was he just looking at someone and assuming, based on how they look?
    Cherry is 85 years old. His career wasn’t “cut short” and he wasn’t entitled to anything. He did that gig for 38 years, and has had an entire lifetime in hockey. It’s time for change; time for evolution. Why are people crying on behalf of an 85-year-old multi-millionaire?

    I honestly don’t know what the point of these back and forths are. The owners of this site can pretend like it’s for the better, but it’s really not. We’re never going to hear each other or agree on these points.

    The internet was supposed to expand people’s minds, but I think it’s closed them.

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    Brandon 4 weeks ago

    I think this was a convenient excuse for Rogers to continue cutting costs. Cherry was no doubt paid a lot, and Rogers needs to close the spigot.

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    Gary M 4 weeks ago

    Yaz, if he was 55 instead of 85, I think that could be somewhat possible. If and when he goes to an internet platform, his audience will shrink dramatically. And so will the impact of his words which, like Howard’s, are infinitely more interesting when they are pushing the claustrophobic limits of a conventional medium.

    Howard certainly got massively richer with the move and had a big impact on satellite radio, no doubt. But all of his big cultural moments came before that.

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    Gary M 4 weeks ago

    Hans, she certainly isn’t a hockey fan (which is fine) and that’s the point of her riff. The line I’ve been tripping on pertains to hockey players she knew in college: “And they all tended to be white boys who weren’t, let’s say, very nice. They were not generally thoughtful. They were often bullies.”

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    Johnj 4 weeks ago

    Ckcu- I think Don used the same data pool you did with your comments in regards to users of this site. Stupid assumptions from an ass.

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    stephen marks 4 weeks ago

    Thank you Gary M, very kind of you to say that

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    Johnj – Ok, boomer

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    GaryM – I finally saw the clip and she further went after hockey parents during her rant, seemingly accusing them of being “rich” and that paying the high fees for their kids was something bad. While I don’t want to generalize like she did to all hockey fans and players, just as Cherry was accused of doing to all immigrants, she does come across as the typical elitist hipster white girl who only cares about what’s 2 feet in front of her. It’s a shame because she’ll probably get off with a pass where if she said any colour but “white” twitter would be completely up in arms about it.

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    Drumanchor 4 weeks ago

    @CKCU:  Excellent points made by you. Sanity – who knew?

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    Johnj 4 weeks ago

    Ckcu-Thanks for the compliment.

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    Original Mitch 4 weeks ago

    Shocking, company man and spineless shill Ron Maclean stays on as host of HNIC. Once again, the man could have made a decision to reflect any sort of real character but instead choses to be a gutless dolt. What’s happened to people having convictions and standing behind them? Is this the media now? Just robots who do what they are told and when? Look at the line up at SN. Find me one person who has any strong beliefs or opinions. You won’t find one. Across the board. Every single one simply gauges the room temperature and says what their bosses want them to say. This is a sad state of affairs. 

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    Great commentary Original Mitch.

    This pitiful state has existed for a while and the fear of losing one’s job might be the driving force here.

    Citizens of good heart, I suspect, have had their souls co-opted by sinister and evil people whose selfish and narrow agendas (SIGs- selfish interest groups), by definition are discriminatory. They care only for themselves no matter the strides society has taken to be more inclusive. That’s right- the oppressed now want to be the oppressors. They are consumed with anger and easily manipulated.

    How does trash like that dink on CTV get away with her anti-white screed she foisted on the malleable viewing audience? That’s easy, when the gov’t, culpable as hell in all this, pays media ‘bailout’ money to save a failing industry, also guilty as hell and their failure is of their own making, what do you think is going to happen? That’s right, quid pro quo?! The media is now the mouthpiece for the sinister Liberal party . Too much of a stretch? I think not. It is not too difficult to draw that line between the two. Tell me I’m wrong.

    When someone running the country is masking his identity throughout his life – only a shrink could reveal why- telling us that WE have to examine ourselves because of his character flaws is one sick, therefore dangerous, puppy in serious denial and not worthy of his current position. The co-opted souls who voted for this loser are lamentable but we must forgive and try to educate them that anger and illogic fueled by bad information- hello again media- is not the way to suss out any truth or vote for any candidate.

    Did we all marvel at the bailed-out media stampeding to talk with Bobby Orr, some hockey guy I think, about his calling out those weaklings who hung Grapes out to dry? What? Ah. Crickets, huh.

    As Mike in Boston said, and thank you Mike, this is an important conversation, I believe the most important conversation.

    The people who supported Don’s firing are the same people who cheered for the anti-white screed on CTV and that is also the same group that voted for the Liberals.
    I have voted Liberal for decades but I don’t hate myself, can’t cheer for Don’s firing, can’t support those comments on CTV , can’t endorse double standards and therefore cannot vote Liberal any more.

    b

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    @original mitch I think it is amazing that they are all in self-preservation mode and distancing themselves from a former friend/colleague like Cherry as if he were a Nazi sympathizer or KKK supporter. Especially MacLean. I don’t think I even heard any of them say ‘oh he worded himself poorly’ or anything to that effect. Just a big collective of them throwing Don under the bus.
    And fwiw, I was and still am on board with the firing.

    But the Liberal rant is a little cuckoo’s nest for me. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

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    Gary M 4 weeks ago

    I think Ron showed plenty of character. He screwed up on Saturday night and owned it on Sunday.

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    Bingo Bango Bongo 3 weeks ago

    So this is the Liberals fault? Please stop with that nonsense. The fact is Don Cherry has a history. He’s talked disparagingly about French players, any and all Europeans and let’s leave a special mention for Russians. To say that this is a result of a single episode, a poor choice of words, is ludicrous. No one likes to see a man lose his job like this, but the fact remains, if he had apologized, he would be back tonight. Don has done some incredible things in his career and those things shouldn’t be forgotten or downplayed. I don’t know why CTV is sticking with Jessica Allen but I would suggest it’s a very different situation than Cherry’s. What’s really stupid is that she was asked her opinion about an issue she so clearly knows nothing about.

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    Poker Guy 3 weeks ago

    Just watched MacLean’s address during the first period intermission, where Coach’s Corner would be.

    How come I didn’t believe a word he said?

    Oh, I know, because everything he said was bullshit and, disingenuous.

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    Ligma Bofades 3 weeks ago

    RIP

    Don Cherry’s career 1954-2019

    Died under a volley of calumny spurred by mass delusion of bigotry.

    Ron MacLean’s testes 1960-????

    Pulled his sac and cut it clean at the gooch live on television Nov 2019.

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    RIP to Don Cherry’s six plus decade career?

    We should all be so lucky.

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    Matty Zero and Bingo Bango Bongo, thank you for your time and your input, it is important and I appreciate it.

    Matty Zero- What was it I said that was cuckoo’s nest? What do you take issue with? Please be specific so I can respond. Thanks.

    Bingo Bango Bongo- Please explain what is very different, as you said, about CTV not firing the woman and Cherry’s situation? Thanks.

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    I don’t watch Hometown Hockey. Does anyone know if Ron is getting “boos” or “cheers” from the fans over his handling of the Cherry situation?

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    ‪HNIC used to be an event. Now it is just a broadcast of a hockey game no different than a Tuesday or Wednesday night.  ‬

    ‪Step by step, Rogers and Sportsnet have diluted and destroyed a national institution and left it in ashes. ‬

    Saturday night was the last night anybody cared what Ron Maclean has to say. Next step is Rogers selling a portion of its 12 year deal to TSN. Next step after that is the next deal going entirely to TSN, likely broadcast via a TSN subscription streaming service. 

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    Ron Maclean was in a terrible spot and has taken more heat than anybody. Cherry’s supporters thought he was a snake. Those against Don thought Ron was spineless for not speaking out at the time. Anybody that said what Don did on air would have at least had to clarify his words to keep his job. Regardless of what you think of Cherry, why should he have been treated any differently? He actually could have brought a lot of people together by just doing so.

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    Gary M 3 weeks ago

    Yaz, all true except: Maclean or anybody else on the broadcast has a chance to regain relevance if and when a Canadian team makes a run to the Cup finals. Particularly the Leafs.

    Same way Matt Devlin became an award winning broadcaster because the Raptors went all the way. It’s not a knock on Devlin, just saying that the event makes the broadcast star as opposed to the other way around.

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    Bingo Bango Bongo 3 weeks ago

    @Harrumph  I want to be careful to make clear my response to your question. Jessica Allen is not an expert on anything related to hockey. She was in a position where she was asked to comment on the culture of hockey and she gave what to her was an honest answer. She was wrong to say what she did on many levels, not least of which was her take on “rich white people” and hockey players being bullies. However, while I strongly disagree with her and believe this was an issue she should have refused comment on, she was on a panel that deals with a lot of different issues everyday. I don’t watch The Social and this incident pretty much makes clear why. One of the problems with shows like The Social is the way they’re designed to let all the panelists get their two cents in. That’s fine…if you have two cents (sense?) Don Cherry, on the other hand, has been pushing the envelope for years. Let’s not pretend this situation is simply the result of his unwisely using the two words, “you people.” He’s been direct over the years about his disdain for the French, the Russians, the Swedes. Hell, anybody who isn’t a ” good old Canadian .” Our country has changed a lot over the time Don Cherry has been on Hockey Night in Canada. Don hasn’t , and it finally caught up to him. 

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    Bingo Bango Bongo

    Your reply and comments are very much appreciated. Isn’t it interesting how a sports blog is having dialogue about real world issues while a tv show called The Social is engaged in tarring and feathering, with a witless audience cheering them on, conversation be damned?

    You say that it isn’t about “you people” but every media outlet said it is and played it up big time. Could you clarify for me and maybe others reading this blog?

    Concentrating on those two words allows the media to ignore that Cherry was actually saying few people wore poppies. What is wrong with pointing to that reality? I noticed the same thing while out in public, didn’t you? And further to that point, I read a tweet from a Pakistani-Canadian involved in the media, at least that is what his profile said, who reported seeing no one wearing a poppy at an event on Nov. 10th with immigrants who, he said, have been here 30-40 years. He went on to say if he named them he would be fired. I don’t know if Mike in Boston would allow me to name the person on this site but you can find it through a recent column in the Toronto Sun by Tarek Fatah.

    If saying Don’s previous comments matter then we need to include that he has said “you people” numerous times on different topics in the past. This time, it seems a lot of people heard things that were not there. If one doesn’t like what he says then change the channel. I did for 2 years because I did not want to hear his personal comments in spite of Don being correct virtually all of the time where his hockey analyses is concerned.

    The CTV woman was not asked about the culture of hockey. She was asked why Don’s comments struck a nerve. Not, was he right about poppy wearers, or what she did or did not see out on the streets. No, she proceeded to… well, it was ugly, we all agree.

    Don was told by SN to say nothing. He offered to clarify but not apologize. Before that could happen Rogers fired him.

    Correct me where I am wrong, anywhere in my response.

    Thanks.

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    Bingo Bango Bongo 3 weeks ago

    @Harrumph  Your second sentence is incorrect. I didn’t say it wasn’t about “you people”, I said that’s not all it was about. Nobody to my knowledge has disagreed with his observations about how few people were wearing poppies. He’s been doing that for years and has been praised for it. 
    As for the woman on CTV, Jessica Allen, she may have been asked about Don’s comments but her answers were more about the culture as she saw it. Or actually, didn’t see it

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    @ Bingo Bango Bongo

    Thanks for getting back.

    So we agree. The “you people” should be included with his other comments.

    I balk when you suggest showing disdain, as you say, for other people or peoples is a firing offence. Did any foreign embassy complain about their citizens being done wrong? Any of our ambassadors called on the carpet?

    As I pointed out earlier, we can change the channel just like I did.

    Imagine a world where you could be turfed for criticizing a woman as you did in your comment about the CTV woman because ( she should have refused comment, you said) she utilized her free speech and proceeded to say many dumb, stupid, hurtful things in a rant.” Do you like to tell women when they can and cannot speak” your very own interrogator could well ask. And telling her what she sees and doesn’t see, as you did in your commentary? That’s dark, yes? Yes. Where does that stuff end? And how far off is that what with the media beholden to their paymaster, the gov’t.

    Yes,the world has changed. In the world Don and millions of others grew up in, there was debate and dialogue, not blind rage stoked by the likes of our media, funded by your gov’t, and spewed into the atmosphere by useful idiots like Jessica Allen.

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    Original Mitch 3 weeks ago

    I’m starting to believe a deep state like conspiracy where Rogers was looking to get rid of Cherry and naturally patsy sycophant Maclean was on-board with this plan. It’s far fetched, but considering their (rogers) actions since, I’m starting to believe it. 

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    Bill Peters is being Don Cherried.

    His crime: he dared to be specific and repeat the repugnant, denigrating lyrics of a rap song featuring the “n” word that obviously bothered him.

    Instead of saying he did not want to hear that crap anymore he was specific about the crap, and anyone who makes more of it is of dubious intention and not to be relied upon for anything. Yep, it’s them again, the disgusting political puppets in the media.

    If Bill Peters was other than white would it be ok? Would he still have a job?

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    @Harrumph

    If you think that’s the case, you’re racist as hell. You’re MASSIVELY oversimplifying that issue. Massively.

    Completely disingenuous to imply that people came for him for no reason, as if it was just a slip of the tongue. It’s clear he had a pattern and I can GUARANTEE you if he said that tirade in a “moment of anger” it’s not his first time saying that. Guaranteed.

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    Gary M 1 week ago

    CKCU is using a nuclear warhead to kill a moth. Which, btw, is a bad idea.

    Obviously Bill Peters and Don Cherry had to go in 2019. And they did, quickly. And that’s how it’s going to be as the demographics of the marketplace have changed dramatically.

    Explaining why he had to go served a positive purpose. Going around calling those on the losing side of societal changes “racist as hell” is just indulgent, inflammatory noise.

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    Demographics can change but the truth is the truth. Don didn’t say what people implied he said and Peters was rightly sick of hearing the “n” word and wrong only in repeating that vile word he was hearing in his locker room.

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    CKCU 1 week ago

    So, you’re mad about someone pointing out that someone said something racist, but not about the fact that someone said something racist?

    Ya, that tracks…

    Obstruct and do all the mental gymnastics you want…

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    I’m starting to believe a deep state like conspiracy where Rogers was looking to get rid of Cherry and naturally patsy sycophant Maclean was on-board with this plan. It’s far fetched, but considering their (rogers) actions since, I’m starting to believe it.

    I wouldn’t go that far but I would agree that Rogers was likely looking for an excuse to get his contract off the books and Cherry walked right into giving them one. I do think Ron did what he did because he was told it would be the only way he could save his own skin. I doubt Maclean had any malice, just plain old self-centered survival.